I don't want to sound like a broken record, but since it's unclear if Barry has seen or will see the note I'd sent an hour or so before his, I'll say again that there is indeed interactive step debugging for CFML now, in FusionDebug, albeit it's not from Adobe and it's not for free (though it is based on Eclipse). The question of whether Adobe should provide such instead is a whole other discussion, of course, some of which you've addressed below and your later note. Just want to make sure that those calling for debugging know that it is indeed now available.
/charlie http://www.carehart.org/blog/ -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:39 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF? to tie these comments back to the thread title, I really hope that this is more than some lame thread-watching tool. I'm continually impressed with VisualStudio.NET's debugging. breakpoints, line-by-line code execution, watching variables - anywhere in the code - even being able to drill down thru complex datasets or child-of-child-of-child objects. and before ppl say that ASP.NET and CF work differently, they're actually a lot similar than you'd expect. Ya gotta admit - for all their faults and failings, Microsoft makes damn decent developer tools. For years SQLServer's Enterprise Mgr/QueryAnalyser was *the* standard set. the db tools in VS.NET are even better (for coders, not necesarily DBA's) Where's the ColdFusion IDE that does that? I sure hope it's comming with either CF8 or Studio9 (or whatever Flash+Dreamwaever will be bundled with). I appreciate CFEclipse and Mark and Rob's efforts but I want more. Sure, you can get close by adding other plug-ins to Eclipse (QuantumDB, etc) but both in key areas (eg debugging) and refinements, there's still lots of catch-up (I admit source control is an area VS.NET loses on but unlike debugging, that can be worked around). And why the heck is it left to a bunch of hard-working open-source developers to create an IDE for a commercial prodct? What's the parent company doing - sitting on it's hands? Macromedia, Adobe - both companies that make a living creating IDE's... wot? they don't know how to do it? The official IDE is *still* Homesite. It seems it comes down CF market share. Return on investment. But what about belief in one's stable of products and provide the tools to use them? does that have value? If there is a new CF IDE comming out from Adobe soon, I just hope it's the bees-knees. With exellent in-editor debugging. I expect nothing less. It is, after all, the standard the competition is at. I wait with abated breath... On 9/13/06, Shane Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 9/13/06, M@ Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > he wouldn't elaborate to much on it but it seemed to be pretty much > > that, > he did also mention you'll be able to see/monitor all threads running > and kill them etc, as well as open up cf more and see what exactly is > happening under the hood and what you'll be able to tell from it > > > > Java 5 lets you do this (JConsole). We have to do this with Tomcat > some times... it seems once you give Tomcat some memory, it really > doesn't like giving it back until you make it! This could point us in > the direction of future releases of CF running on Java 5 or maybe even > Java 6 (which should be released soon). > > Leads into another interesting idea of attaching a Java debugger to > the VM, but unless it is done like JSP is, you wont be able to step > through the CF code (I know WebMacro can't be done like that). Maybe > that is one direction that could be explored... its late and I really have to stop day dreaming. > It probably has been explored and found to not be feasable > > > Shane > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
