Steve,
I really hope that youre not upset, the tone of that suggests otherwise. I really hope that you still come and contribute to the meeting and Im sure that all the regulars do also. I agree with marks Monthly meetings and discussion type sessions, hopefully we will get good attendance and build the group. PS: To all the slackers at my work who never attend, I want to see you there this year. You know who you are. Ive also worked with lots of good people in the past who I know silently read this list and never comment, its time to join in, you will learn some good stuff and meet some good people. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog _____ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:40 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG Its all yours Mark Good luck with it all _____ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:35 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG All, First off, non of this should put down any of the hard work that Steve has put into the Vic CFUG, He's done an excellent job over the past few years. But, Just to be clear on my position here, since people seem to enjoy talking on my behalf - * I'm more than happy to be nominated for the Role of CFUG user manager, If, and only If Steve wants to step down * I would honestly like to see a return to monthly meetings where there is a presentation each month. I know this is a lot of work, but I have several ideas: * Case Studies - people can present work they have done, and discuss what went well, and what went bad about it * 'Try a Framework' evening. Everyone gets together with their laptops and we all get a framework up and running and try out various things in a collaborative environement * CF Certification Study groups * Presentation on technologies (i.e. like what we have now) * Multi-session free training on CF (even beginner stuff) * NGA.net is still available as a venue (tho we have started filling up the space we used last time, but I think we can find somewhere to do it), as long as people still like South Melbourne as a venue. I think that last year showed that there were plenty of people in the group that were more than willing to share their time and their efforts in doing multiple presentations, and they were great (big kudos to Bjorn for his Flex presos). We should be able to capitalise on that and really get some momentum going. I have to admit, it does seem a little stop-start. But at the end of the day, that is simply my *opinion*, Steve puts in a lot of work into the CFUG, and much thanks to him for the work he does, but I figured I would clarify my position, so that it doesn't get muddied. Mark On 3/15/07, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For your information I am in the process or talking with the Microsoft guy about doing some presentations for us and organising other presentations as there is no point having meetings without presentations. Last year I put it out there to have a meeting just to get everyone together to keep them going and no one wanted to come along. So it is more of a realisation that unless there are presenters no one will come. For me its less about presentations and more about the networking aspect. Presentations are a bonus, especially when there are new people wanting to join the group. It seems that the remaining people that come to the meetings are somewhat advanced which I feel is deterring newcomers which is why I want to pull the meetings back and have more general stuff, which is why I am talking to the Microsoft group and other groups. Stuff like a presentation on Vista and SQL2005 and stuff like that which are more information based rather than having technical topics like the FLEX ones, which even made my brain hurt. For those who say "I'll only come if I like the topic" well that's not being part of the group really in my view. You come because you want to be part of the group, not because there is a personal gain for you each and every meeting. So my drive this year is new members, not existing members. The existing members by the sounds of it based on the feedback already know the importance of the group and should be attending regardless of topics. The important thing is growing the group again and getting new members and pulling back in the old members who haven't attended for a while, in both cfug and mmug. Rest assured I am working on things, but it just doesn't happen by clicking your fingers, but if you all would like Mark to take it over I'll leave that up to him. I know I have offered for him to take more of a part in the running of the group but he didn't really have the time. Steve _____ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 8:54 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG Ok, I am interested in attending, I'm sorry to say it, but I think Steve is not running this effectively and is doing more harm good, while he is a hell of a nice guy and has been doing all the work, it took 6 months last year for the first meeting to be organized and we are 3 ½ months into this year with no news. I think there were only 4 or 5 last year in total, I attended them all they need to me more regular. Now I've mentioned this previously and then a meeting gets organized, but I think that's not good enough any more and it's time to hand it over to someone. And rather than beat around the bush we need to organize this. As the kind folk at NGA have offered their offices, I think it makes sense that someone from there run it. I would like to nominate Mark Mandel to run the usergroup, he also attended every meeting last year and I know that he is both prepared to run it and would do a good job. But before this can happen, Steve really needs to step aside and then anyone else interested could step up also and we can vote if necessary on a new UG Manager. I think Mark also needs to publicly step forward and indicate if he would indeed accept the position if offered. Once again I would like to mention that I have respect for Steve and we all appreciate his efforts over the years, but believe strongly that the time has come for a change. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog _____ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: <mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 8:25 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] OT: Melbourne CFUG Hey Folks, i know that there has been a lot of offtopic chatter this week, so in an effort to drag it back on topic, I would love to hear from anyone who is interested in meeting for a Melbourne CFUG. Now I know that there are people that have run this group in the past but it seems to have dried up so I am just really waving a big stick trying to work out if there is interest or if it is really dead and there is no CF in Melbourne. We kinda have a venue that we could use to run a meeting (it will cost us but don't let that put you off just yet) but before we go too far, i don't want to tread on toes... I would love to meet up and chat, shoot the breeze or even talk CF with folks. I will be at WebDU if you are interested i reviving the CFUG in Melbourne ok, that is it for now... I am going to go and program now, on an non-adobe operating system, on a computer not built by adobe, in a tool not built by adobe, in a language that is not CF - so I am really going to go to hell (sorry scott) -- Lucas http://www.thebitbucket.net -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com<BR --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. 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