Andrew, please be sure to read ALL Charlies (or anyone else's for that matter) response before posting again. Yep...the whole thing!
It will help us all :) On Jan 8, 6:10 pm, "Charlie Arehart \(lists account\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew, I know people hate to see these kind of debates drawn out, and I've > been warned before not to be pulled into the web you weave :-), but I can't > let you stand on your assertions. You say > > "The code behind LSDateFormat is identical to DateFormat, the only > difference is that > LSDateFormat has a wrapper to call DateFormat and guess what > DateFormat returns the > default Locale. So my question is this, why? I can see that with the > new argument locale, > that could be the only reason behind it." > > Again, the function came out several years ago, before the addition of the > new argument locale. All the discussion here yesterday was about how it > works with SetLocale. I was the first to bring up the new locale > functionality in CF8. So all the other folks here are clearly discussing (as > they should) how the LS functions can be manipulated based on the SetLocale. > DateFormat, as an example, cannot. They're not the same, dude! I think your > "Software Engineer point of view" is clouding your perspective. > > Or others jump in. Am I missing something? Again, I prefaced my first note > here by admitting that I'm no expert on localization. Many of you are. Is > Andrew on to something here? Or missing the boat? And what about Barry and > others earlier in the thread who brought all this up: have any of my points > helped you? > > As for CFHTMLHEAD, again, I find your argument pretty specious. But please > read me carefully before responding. I'm not debating your suggested > enhancement. > > You accuse it of appearing "to have ... been thrown in at the last minute", > but again it's one of the oldest tags in CFML. You can complain that it > doesn't do what you want (that seems your beef), but you can't argue that it > was thrown together at the last minute just because it doesn't meet a need > you see. Again, you're accusing the engineers of being stupid, and not > foreseeing what you see is clearly a superior approach. I daresay no one has > reconsidered that tag and its uses in the several years since it came out. > Should they? Perhaps. That's where you can file an enhancement request, so > it's good to hear that you have. (So you see, I'm not arguing that your > proposed suggestion is specious--just the assertion about the tag being so > brain dead. It does serve the needs for which it was originally created.) > > I only pressed this because you threw out the off-hand comment at the > conclusion of your earlier note that this was another example of things in > CFML "that have been added without any thinking at all". I just think those > kind of comments are incendiary and inappropriate. Again, we don't have > insight into the many decisions that go on in the engineering team, whether > when creating a tag/function or when modifying it. Do I always agree with > them? Heck no. But that's what the betas are for. Get in there early and > make your case known, as it seems you have. Just think twice about casting > the aspersions (as I now see someone else said in that "other forum that > cannot be named" which you hinted at). Really, you can make your point > without that. :-) > > /charlie > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of Andrew Scott > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 5:58 PM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: should DateFormat() be depricated (in favour > ofLSDateFormat())? > > Sure, > > First things first.... I did not read your post in its entirety so the > context of disagreeing with you, goes right out the window:-) > > But to keep the subject in its context, I do wonder what was going through > the developers minds when they created the LSDateFormat and for what > purpose. > > But I can tell you this. > > The code behind LSDateFormat is identical to DateFormat, the only difference > is that LSDateFormat has a wrapper to call DateFormat and guess what > DateFormat returns the default Locale. > > So my question is this, why? I can see that with the new argument locale, > that could be the only reason behind it. > > Anyway, I speak from a Software Engineer point of view and I do not see any > reason for 2 functions that technically do the same thing. > > Now let's talk about cfhtmlhead. > > While converting some of my extJS code over to coldfusion 8, I found that a > lot of it broke with JS code couldn't be found. Yet there they are in the > view source, so when I went investigating and did some further tests, the JS > HAS to be in the html HEAD tag. So with that in mind I got told that is why > this tag exists. > > So let's now look at why this is a hack at its best. > > To use this as it currently is one has to do this. > > <cfsavecontent variable="Test"> > ... Some JS code. > </cfsavecontent> > > <cfhtmlhead text="#Test#"> > > Now I can't discuss where I am talking about this, but I can tell you that I > have full support on some recommendations from suggested by Sean Corfield > and it has been filed as an ER. > > My reasoning is simple, the one thing I hate is messy code, JS all over the > place code not where it should be etc. And I didn't even know about this > tag, until a few weeks ago. > > But let's look at the CF8 Ajax stuff. > > If it was me and I knew that this tag had to exist why could it not have > been designed to do this. > > <cfhtmlhead language="Javascript"> > ...Some JS Code > </cfhtmlhead> > > Or even > > <cfhtmlhead language="vbScript"> > ...Some JS Code > </cfhtmlhead> > > Or > > <cfhtmlhead style="CSS"> > ...Some CSS styles > </cfhtmlhead> > > Can you understand how a little more though would make something like this > tag, appear to have not been thrown in at the last minute? > > Andrew Scott- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. 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