Im not saying they are not listening. Things have been this way for a long time and many discussions have been had about the same topics and have even been bought up at places like webDu and such and still nothing seems to have changed.
All of the discussions are valid and raise very valid points and we all agree that the status quo isn't enough though I honestly believe that not much will change. Adobe is a tools company which is why they push the creative suite products so much including flex....they are visual outcome products and they are easier to sell because you can see outcomes quicker where is CF isn't. Someone during this discussion said that Adobe in ANZ pushes more LifeCycle and those "larger" ticket items because they make more on them so if price pointing of products is an issue for them when it comes to marketing and penetration and CF is sitting in nomads land in the middle then why don't they drop the pricing down to creative suite land? You cant honestly say that the r&d that goes into CF is so much more than the creative suit products that the price has to be so o much more than creative suite? The creative suite master collection which has pretty much every adobe creative tool in it comes in at $2599USD having 15 products where as CF Enterprise $7499USD for a single product (prices quoted from adobe website). Where is the logic in that? The way I see it, the problem covers every area of the business....marketing, pricing, education, distribution and support, and I mean commercial enterprise level support here. The only area that has been addressed (though not fully) is distribution, and even then from my own personal experiences, if you genuinely are wanting to get involved in distributing the product it is nearly impossible to be able to do so unless you are some huge company. Gradually since Allaire days, through Macromedia and now with Adobe, the "personal touch" in dealing with support, sales and marketing staff for Adobe products has dwindled away to almost nothing and the utilisation of local partners is next to nothing. Example.... I did a search for "Authorised Resellers" in Victoria that sell CF and I only got 3 "Gold" level partners, one of which the partner website came up with a 404, the other one only had CF8 STD and the other site is down and is a US company, not an Australian company. I myself am a Bronze level partner, I do CF hosting and can distribute licenses "in Australia" yet no mention there and I am sure the same rings true for lots of other non-gold level partners. I mean to even be a gold level partner costs $7495USD. I then did a search for "Aobe Partner" relating to Coldfusion in Victoria and got only one, which is me, Inevative. Only 1? I would have thought there were more than that. Even Australia wide there are only 5 businesses listed there. There are a few more than that im sure of it! Daemon don't even promote they are a partner on their site anymore..are they still? WebQuem in Sydney have the Gold Level logo on their site and they were not even listed on the Adobe site at all. In the end my opinion is that Adobe are not doing enough to support its local partners and distributors in Australia and they need to start doing more. Like the saying goes....If you always do what you have always done you will always get what you have always gotten. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 9:29 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet strongly disagree, Steve. Who's to say that the "intended audience" ISN'T listening? Or that the collective view can't influence the thinking of the "powers that be". Or that others can learn from such discussion. Besides, I was just asking for Kai's opinion - he's been around the block a few times, seen a few things. He brought it up and I was just asking that he expand his thoughts with a bit of detail. No harm in that is there? On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Steve Onnis <st...@cfcentral.com.au> wrote: > This kind of discussion has no value if there is no outcome though > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Bell [mailto:pb...@systemsforge.com] > Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 1:42 AM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet > > I kind of thought the whole point of a discussion was to try to merge > disparate views. If there is perfect and complete agreement, not much need > for a discussion - better just to go off down the pub instead :-) > > On May 30, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Steve Onnis wrote: > >> If their views are not the same then this whole discussion is futile >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 12:29 AM >> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet >> >> @Steve: >> >> you're assuming their view, Kai's view, and even yours, are the same. >> That may not be the case. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "cfaussie" group. > To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. > To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. 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