Symfony 2 isn't too bad a framework and PHP has come a long way, but its
still PHP lol
The last PHP one I went to at the google building in London they demo'd
Capistrano (a ruby product) :)

On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Mark Mandel <mark.man...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh, I don't begrudge you going to non CF user groups in the slightest...
> but a PHP one? ;) for shame sir, for shame ;)
>
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> On 13/08/2013 7:11 PM, "M@ Bourke" <m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I go to user groups of different languages (as many developers do), not
>> just for the free food but also because they're usually in a pub lol.
>> PHP community is generally much more up to date with the latest open
>> source tools, you'll hear about many development/build/testing tools etc at
>> least a year before they're ever mentioned in the CF community.
>> I also attend the local, Python, Node and Javascript groups (I'd attend
>> more but that's what my area is limited too), interesting thing is that at
>> these groups 40% of the people attend the other groups.
>>
>> If anyone here only attends CF user groups I highly recommend attending
>> other languages, they all use the same build tools, testing tools,
>> development methodologies etc, so it's a good way of seeing demos of
>> what'll appear in the CF scene a year or 2 down the line.
>>
>> It's also a good way to get the 90's mentality of "You can develop faster
>> in CF than other languages".
>>
>> It's an eye opener to go to a cf user group of 10 people then the next
>> week to go to a PHP user group (not a conference) of 200 developers, most
>> too young to have heard of CF.
>>
>> getting a little side tracked now.
>>
>> Matt
>> ps: railo rocks
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Mark Mandel <mark.man...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> M@ What are you doing at PHP usergroups? ;)
>>>
>>> I think you'll find some young developers are now circling back around
>>> to Erlang and Haskell (actually, not a joke)
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:55 PM, M@ Bourke <
>>> m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> well that's quite obvious, go to any CF usergroup or conference etc and
>>>> count how many developers there are under 25, then go to a PHP usergroup,
>>>> CF the likely number will be zero, PHP it'll be around 60%
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Andrew Myers <am2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe it's a sign not many new folks are coming to cf....?
>>>>> On 12/08/2013 6:48 PM, "M@ Bourke" <m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think one of the reasons this group is so quiet is that everyone in
>>>>>> here has been using CF for such a long time they rarely have questions.
>>>>>> but I'm sure many people see the messages come through etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Zac Spitzer 
>>>>>> <zac.spit...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> do most people subscribe via email or use the web interface?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Dale Fraser <d...@fraser.id.au>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  The kind of questions you have been posting are probably better
>>>>>>>> placed on stack overflow.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You will get more answers and quicker, cfaussie is pretty dormant,
>>>>>>>> most google groups are showing decline because of other sites such as 
>>>>>>>> stack
>>>>>>>> overflow.****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dale Fraser****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com]
>>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *rai...@ozemail.com.au
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 12 August 2013 12:34 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wondering if this user group is still active as I seem to only
>>>>>>>> receive the occasional post every now and then often nothing for over a
>>>>>>>> week, in the past its been far more regular activity ??****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there a more active user group that I am not aware of ???****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind Regards****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Claude Raiola****
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SAMARIS Software****
>>>>>>>>
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