I would be happy to help and write part of a book like this, without
compensation if necessary.  Compensation would be great, but it's
definitely not the reason to do something like this.  Further, the
market for an advanced CF book is probably rather small, so making money
on it is probably unlikely anyway.

One thing that will be a challenge (in my mind at least), is making the
examples of applying the patterns actually mean something. I'm far from
an OO guru, but I think I've been using the concepts enough to recognize
that how you apply the patterns depends in a huge way on the actual
problem being solved. One could go around slapping a pattern onto almost
any problem and be able to write code that actually worked, but would
not be the most effective solution.

Maybe one approach would be to come up with some standard problems,
along with procedural or "unpatterned" code that solves the problem but
does it in a way that makes maintenance difficult.  Procedural code
wrapped up in CFCs, tall inheritance hierarchies, non-encapsulated code,
etc. Then approach the problem again and apply some appropriate patterns
in the solution. Just an idea. Anyway Matt (or others), please keep the
list informed as this develops.

Regards,

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [CFCDev] ColdFusion and design pattens

While I can't commit to writing a book and personally hate the computer
book
publishing industry; I concede the point that we need an advanced CFML
book.
I am decently fast enough of a writer that if I knew the subject and had
an
outline I could knock out something pretty easily. Therefore, I make the
following suggestion.

Get a group of people together that would come up with an outline for an
advanced CFML book. If such an outline is created, I will commit to
writing
two chapters at least without compensation.

As far as finding others; that may be trickier since they will probably
want
compensation. Personally, I'd rather not deal with the issue and avoid
publishing companies altogether. The book itself can be self-published
on
demand for around $10 per copy.

Additionally, I am pretty good with DocBook these days, so creating the
PDF
for the book printing would be straight forward enough.

-Matt

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
> Of Bryan F. Hogan
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CFCDev] ColdFusion and design pattens
> 
> What's difficult to overcome on a project like this is the fact of
time
> and resources available.
> 
> I would like to make a call to the CF authors we have. I would much
> rather have a book on patterns and things in CF rather than a book
about
> Blackstone's new features.
> 
> I'd be willing to pay 100+ dollars on a book like this. I think that
the
> books we have are too basic for a lot of people. At least one author
> should consider writing such a book.
> 
> Ben?, Ray?, Pete?, Matt?, Sean? Someone?
> 
> I'm still anxiously waiting for the day that Matt and/or Sean would
> write an advanced CF book.
> 
> > I'm not sure how much I could contribute but I would love to have
access
> > to such a project to help me clean up my coldfusion programming
> practices.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >  > I am, and have started working on some examples lately.
> >
> > Thomas Chiverton wrote:
> >  > Would anyone be instrested in a community project to develop
working
> > examples
> >  > of common design pattens in CFML, using CFCs / Mach II / FB4 ?
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