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John, I guess what you’re proposing could
be acquired with an adoption of the WSRP standard (FAqs at: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/11774/wsrp-faq-draft-0.30.html#portlet),
or maybe something similar to the JSR168
spec (http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=168).
There is even an authentication standard
XML schema,SAML ( http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/security/faq.php
). Since CF is very very very
straightforward, we don’t usually adopt standards. This really turns against
us in the end. Some time ago I had to develop a simple
example on CF and Semantic web and found out that there was no example on how
to do it. I found this article from some German
researches where they say “We didn't find toolkits for
ActionScript and ColdFusion yet. Is there no Semantic Web support for these
languages?”: http://www.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/suhl/bizer/toolkits/
, its sad to see that CF simply gets out of the market because what we do can’t
be reused or applied elsewhere. Maybe is time for the CF community start
defining our own standards, even using the above standards fully or just as
directions on how to start. Defining our own standards would be simply
and we could do it as anything in CF: simple and direct. Adopting an already existing standard
would place our apps in a more broad audience, using an WSRP standard, for a
while, would allow a CF app to be consumed by any
web portal engine that supports this standard, like IBM, Bea, Plumtree. Anyway there are pros and cons in any way
we decide. Frameworks like Mach-ii,FB, MG or ColdSpring
could have plugins that would allow a developer to easily drop a blog inside
his app, using common authentication and rendering presentation methods. Sure the more difficult would be to WRITE
the standards in the first place, then get the community to USE them, and I can
see a number of different ways on how to define common presentation layers, maybe using a Flex-like XML language could
do the work (again, Oasis has a UIXML: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=uiml).
This would certainly get us, the CF
community, stronger, getting the “interoperability of CF apps” to
work. Regards, Marcantonio Silva From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Farrar This is exactly why (different gains and
losses to each approach) my desire is to see a set of common API standards to
allow applications to be built by multiple developers and integrated into a
common system. There are two major areas that are needed above the rest.
I am not saying that only one system can
do this, for certainly this could be done in FB, Machii and others. Yet the
lack of these standards existing has prevented the code reuse on an application
level. Currently the extent of code reuse that is robustly integrated is on a
CFC level, web services or reusing single files within a site. There are some
other examples of code reuse… but for the most part you can’t get a
blog, calendar or other application from an external source that integrates
with your application because there isn’t a common standard to handle
these issues with the more popular methodologies. For all the benefits they
bring to the table the lack of application reuse or distribution is a tradeoff
that small business in particular cannot usually afford. The same would also be
true for departmental applications inside a corporation. The budget just
isn’t there to write all the apps they need to have an effective
site… and it isn’t going to happen until we catch on to this
concept. (Note: These two items are fundamental to building applications for
any operating system; windows, linux, etc. To continue to build applications
without these standards is like focusing our efforts on the DOS ages and
forgetting how much window based OS’s with common system authentication
have advanced computer usage.) </rant> John Farrar From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of All, I downloaded a copy of Blog CFC from
Ray. What I want to do with it is put it under my existing application name
(nothing fancy) and allow any user already logged in to act as an admin on the
blog. I want to allow them to post and comment showing their name on their
posts. I’m afraid to mess with some of
the code I’m looking at. Has anyone that can give me a few quick pointers
done this already? *******
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