Sometimes. Not always. I mean, yeah, we've got inert people at all levels of society. And this gets to be difficult to reason about, for a variety of reasons.
But also it's easier to notice the faults of people who we are close to, except when the fault is our own - then we tend to be so close that it's hard to recognize what we are seeing. Thanks, -- Raul On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Don Guinn <[email protected]> wrote: > Aren't they call "managers"? > > On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 5:56 AM, Raul Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Sadly, expecting people to understand a language without actually >> using it leads to all sorts of failure modes - where people claim to >> understand the language but have no actual experience with it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Raul >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 6:54 AM, Erling Hellenäs >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I think you normally expect text, including manuals, to be readable. If >> it >> > is you don't have to do experiments at the terminal to understand the >> text. >> > /Erling >> > >> > >> > On 2017-12-15 04:37, Don Guinn wrote: >> >> >> >> How many hours did I spend reading the Dictionary while sitting on the >> >> toilet? >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Jose Mario Quintana < >> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> :D >> >>> >> >>> I probably understood half of the entry descriptions I read originally >> >>> because I have a very short attention span, I moved on and jumped >> >>> frequently to the examples which helped me a lot in conjunction with >> some >> >>> experimentation with the interpreter, which is ultimately the one that >> >>> matters (to me) because is the one that produces results. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 3:35 AM, Erling Hellenäs >> >>> <[email protected] >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> For me manuals have always been the first resort. When you read it you >> >>>> know more than anyone else about the language, because noone else read >> >>>> it >> >>>> :) The only exception is the J manual, which I find totally >> unreadable. >> >>>> /Erling >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Den 2017-12-13 kl. 23:46, skrev Jose Mario Quintana: >> >>>> >> >>>>> I am surprised how many people have not read the reference manual - >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> not just in the J community but among technical people in general. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I really don't know what to make of this. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> This, to me, is akin to wondering why many people, particularly young >> >>>>> children, can communicate orally fairly well in a language even when >> >>> >> >>> they >> >>>>> >> >>>>> have not studied its grammar. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On the one hand, I write J tacitly the same way I speak, almost >> always >> >>>>> without consciously thinking about grammar rules. On the other >> hand, I >> >>>>> learned J, a long time ago, by reading the Dictionary (which is not a >> >>>>> recommended way to learn it) and simultaneously experimenting with >> the >> >>>>> interpreter (which is definitely recommended). >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I wish I had the time to read the Dictionary again in its entirety. >> >>> >> >>> Yet, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I >> >>>>> still remember fondly the answer of a brilliant boss of mine when I >> >>>>> suggested we should look at one particular reference manual: "Are >> you >> >>>>> kidding? Manuals are the last resort!" >> >>>>> >> >>>>> :) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Raul Miller <[email protected]> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:46 AM, Erling Hellenäs >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I doubt you can find reasonably accurate descriptions of this >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> functionality >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> (these four helper programs) anywhere else. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> This suggests to me that you have not read >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/dictb.htm >> >>>>>> nor >> >>>>>> http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/dicta.htm >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I am surprised how many people have not read the reference manual - >> >>>>>> not just in the J community but among technical people in general. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I really don't know what to make of this. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> Raul >> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ---------- >> >>>>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/ >> forums.htm >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ---------- >> >>>>> >> >>>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/ >> forums.htm >> >>>>> >> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ---------- >> >>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/ >> forums.htm >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
