> I just saw a 20/20 episode last night about rebirthing and it talked
> about how a little girl died in a terrible accedint during the rebirthing
> therapy.

Here's an interesting study into society and human habits of perception.

Firstly, one thing the media will never tell you is that the fatal incident
was *NOT* accepted rebirthing therapy. Calling it rebirthing is like
referring to decapitation as accepted medical practice.

In cases where doctors commit gross misconduct, and kill their patients,
society comes down hard on the individual doctor, and doesn't blame the
profession.

But with less established treatment modalities, if one practitioner commits
misconduct, then society comes down on the profession as a whole. All this
falls into the category of 'neophobia' - fear of what is truly new.

I'm all too familiar with the news coverage of that terrible incident, and
have researched it at length and discussed it with my colleagues around the
world.

The basic fact of the incident is that it *was not* rebirthing. The
practitioners departed totally from what is accepted rebirthing technique.

It's sad to note that the police investigators, legislators and media did
not even bother to consult the extensive literature available. It's
abhorrent that they didn't even bother to talk to one of the scores of
medical practitioners who now use the rebirthing technicue. If they had,
they would have recognised that the death was not caused by rebirthing, but
by a desperate and criminal departure from that technique. Rebirthing
encourages a fullness of breathing - to imagine a so-called 'rebirthing'
session where breathing is inhibited in any way is like imagining a pub with
no beer, or a celibate brothel - it's a total contradiction.

Rebirthing clients who consult my wife and I have either laughed or
expressed extreme offence at the total inaccuracy and ignorance of the media
coverage. They have speculated that medical authorities in Colorado were for
many years feeling threatened by the success of rebirthing in addressing a
whole raft of human conditions - psychological, emotional and even
physical - and for years have been looking for something to 'pin' on the
profession.

Other rebirthing clients have said "This [rebirthing] is like 'taking the
red pill' [in The Matrix]".

My wife first got interested in the process 25 years ago, seeking relief for
chronic debilitating epilepsy and diabetes. After years of unsuccesful
treatment with the finest medical specialists, and the most reputable
alternatives, she visited a psychologist, on a friend's recommendation, as a
last resort. This psychologist was not practicing mainstream psychology as
he was taught - instead he was administering a basic form of rebirthing
therapy. Within a few short weeks, by wife's health cleared up completely.
She has since been completely free of all epilepsy, all diabetes, doesn't
need any medication and never consults doctors.

That psychologist was at that time using rooms in a medical centre. Doctors
sent their patients to him for counselling, and got extremely pissed off
when the clients, with their physical conditions now healed, no longer
required medical treatment. The psychologist was evicted from the medical
centre and run out of town.

There are documented cases of thousands of people using the motivational,
cathartic and empowering benefits of rebirthing to induce their cancers into
permanent remission.

The reason why much of society comes down hard on rebirthing is that it
threatens one of the three largest industries in the world - the
pharmaceuticals industry. If people learned this process en masse, they
would eliminate most or all need for pharmaceutical drugs, and the industry
would collapse overnight. A collapse in the pharmaceuticals industry could
be enough to shatter the USA's economic world dominance.

So before anyone flames at the process of rebirthing, let me ask one thing.
Most or all of you can boast vastly above average intelligence, and the
intellectual discipline of being able to tackle huge and complex structures
of programming code. I would advise you to apply similar intellectual rigour
in examining *at depth* this radical therapeutic process that goes by the
name of Rebirthing.

Cheers
David


----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron P Ingebrigtsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:52
Subject: [freenet-chat] Rebrithing, no flame intended


> This message is NOT meant as a flame to anyone, especialy not David, whom
> I respect and like as a person, but I am concerned about methods of
> "therapy" that either border very closely on abuse, or cross the line
> into murder.
>
> I just saw a 20/20 episode last night about rebirthing and it talked
> about how a little girl died in a terrible accedint during the rebirthing
> therapy.  I must also mention that the episode also talked about another
> little girl for whom the therapy worked quite well.  I'm not totaly
> biased against rebirthing, I'm just concerned about this one girl's
> death.
>
> She kept saying she couldn't breath, and the adult practitioner said she
> Knew she could breath and didn't believe the girl.  Well she may have
> been able to suck air into her lungs in order to then force air past her
> vocal cords, but that doesn't mean she is breathing OXYGEN!!!!  So,
> basicaly, this lady is out on bond and this other practitioner that was
> also there helping are going to be tried for the abuse of a child
> resulting in death.
>
> I specificaly didn't like the part of the therapy where the practitioner
> yells in the kid's face over and over again.  That is going WAY too far.
> The actual simulation of the womb and birthing process doesn't seem all
> that bad to me, and in fact I can see where the psychological benefit
> would be, if that person experienced some kind of trauma in thier first
> moments of life outside of the womb and somehow kept that memory in the
> subconcios or something.
>
> The practitioners SHOULD be monitoring the person inside the simulated
> womb of blankets and pilows for signs of physiological distress, AND
> there should at least be an oxygen tube in there.  That would at least
> simulate the umbilical cord in some way, and the ability of the mother to
> know when there is something wrong with the baby she is carying.  I mean,
> if you are going to simulate the womb and birthing process, why not take
> it that much further?
>
> I realize that the REAL birthing process is an extremely traumatic event
> for both mother and child, but it usualy doesn't result in any permanent
> injury, either physical or psychological, and usualy doesn't result in
> death.
>
> I would like it if the human race didn't give live birth to such LARGE
> offspring.  I would like it if human mothers instead developed an
> external pouch into which a tiny featus can grow and mature until it is
> time to leave, then simply slip out of an already very large hole. :)  No
> pain for the mother, no pain for the child, no stress, just a nice good
> time. :)  That would make us marsupeals or something right?  Like a
> Kangaroo or something. :)
>
> Or even better, MALES should cary and give birth to children after
> getting egs from females. :)  Like Sea-horses. :)
>
> I'm not sure what kind of benefit it would have for a child who can't
> trust thier adoptive parents or foster parents.  I mean, if you have been
> bounced around from home to home for many years in the foster system, and
> your real parents abused you or something, then I don't think ANY kind of
> therapy will ever work very well.  All you can do is try to provide a
> stable and loving environment, where the rules are always clearly stated
> and never change, and where there is plenty of praise for a job well
> done, and punishment is only doled out when it is necessary.
>
> The yelling in one's face is exactly what they do in boot camp.  I am
> against forceing ANYONE to have to endure that kind of crap.  But I do
> think that sometimes the only way to get someone to behave is to punish
> them when they misbehave.  This however does not necessarily mean abusing
> them emotionaly or physicaly.  Even if the intention of yelling at
> someone is to get them to yell back and release their anger, it is still
> extremely abusive and traumatic.  That kind of trauma can do more harm
> than good.  Believe me, I know!!!!
>
> I've had more than enough of my fill of emotional and physical abuse and
> I refuse to simply accept any more of that crap.  If anyone tries to
> force such crap onto me ever again, I WILL fight back.
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