on 15.09.2001 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. NYC needs techies (g'o'tz ohnesorge) > 2. Fw: Light a Candle for Unity (Aaron P Ingebrigtsen) > 3. Interesting post on /. (Stefan Reich) > 4. Re: Interesting post on /. (g'o'tz ohnesorge) > 5. Re: Interesting post on /. (Jim Carrico) > 6. Re: Interesting post on /. (coderman) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 22:18:18 +0200 > > Organization: kann auch deutsch *<:o) > > > The WTC was the main mounting point of communications hardware, which now > needs to be rebuilt quickly. > > Skills, hardware and manpower. "Essentially, anything you can give us, we > can use." > > "If you are a geek in New York, I'd strongly suggest that you > head over to the nearest police station, Red Cross office, or > emergency center and volunteer your time and expertise." > > "And if you are not here, please come if you can. If you don't > have skills, send computer equipment. If you don't have equipment, > sponsor a techie. Get them here. We need them." > > "Whatever you have that you can spare, you can bet this city > needs it," the spokesman said. > > > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,46821,00.html > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:51:54 -0700 > From: Aaron P Ingebrigtsen > Subject: [freenet-chat] Fw: Light a Candle for Unity > > > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- >> I received a printed e-mail message from a woman on the train this > morning, >> and I thought I'd re-produce it and pass it on. Do with it what you can > and >> will.... >> >> "Light a Candle for Unity! >> >> Though terrorists may ahve struck out at us as Americans, let us come >> together and show our unity. Let us show that though our arm may have > been >> hurt, they can't dim the heart of America which rages bright. On > Thursday >> September 13, 2001 at 10:30 pm EST, walk out your door and light a > candle > or >> lantern to show the world that our spirit burns bright. Gather with > loved >> ones or neighbors but let our light burn in the night to show that we > are >> united and that we remain string. >> >> Please pass this on to anyone you know...print it up and pass it out to >> neighbors who may not have internet access, post it to message boards, >> clubs, news stations, anywhere and everywhere there is a PROUD > American!" >> >> >> And thats that.. > ________________________________________________________________ > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: "Stefan Reich" > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:12:50 +0200 > Subject: [freenet-chat] Interesting post on /. > > "Here's an interesting issue and one that is well to debate on Slashdot. It > is said on just about all the major news networks that there has been an > intelligence breakdown. That the terrorists use sophisticated encryption > measures and that our intelligence agencies are under-funded and don't have > the ability to keep tabs on the terrorists. Question: would you be willing > to trade your personal privacy for maybe some further measure of security > from terrorists? Would you grant the people running Carnivore greater rights > into your life in order to perhaps prevent more events like this? Is the > encryption export ban such a bad thing when stacked against 50,000 people's > lives?" > > (http://slashdot.org/articles/01/09/11/1842258.shtml) > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 03:05:42 +0200 > From: g'o'tz ohnesorge > Organization: kann auch deutsch *<:o) > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Interesting post on /. > > Stefan Reich wrote: > >> "Here's an interesting issue and one that is well to debate on Slashdot. It >> is said on just about all the major news networks that there has been an >> intelligence breakdown. That the terrorists use sophisticated encryption >> measures and that our intelligence agencies are under-funded and don't have >> the ability to keep tabs on the terrorists. Question: would you be willing >> to trade your personal privacy for maybe some further measure of security >>> from terrorists? Would you grant the people running Carnivore greater rights >> into your life in order to perhaps prevent more events like this? Is the >> encryption export ban such a bad thing when stacked against 50,000 people's >> lives?" >> >> (http://slashdot.org/articles/01/09/11/1842258.shtml) > > Nonsense discussion from the outset. > > I am you do > we are it is > he and she go > to be the or > > Sixteen words, the shortest and most frequently used in plain, common English. > > 0 1 2 3 > 4 5 6 7 > 8 9 a b > c d e f > > Sixteen numbers, which make up Base16, or hexadecimal encoding. > > Any number, and word, any computer data can be expressed in any string of > these. > > The words above and the numbers are replaceable by each other. > > Fill other words between them, and any message can be hidden - in clear sight > of > bright daylight. > > Even the line you read here can already contain the words "Attack, now!". > > I could write this idea in my little room, without ever having been to > university > learning encryption mathematics. > > There is no possibility to stop > anyone from using such means of encryption and > data hiding. > > And there is no way to tell whether they do. > > ----- > > Here's two copies of Macchiavelli's book, from 500 years ago, about how > to become ruler of a country, and stay that. > > http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/machiavelli-prince.html > http://members.tripod.com/EsotericTexts05/Machiavelli.ThePrince.htm > > His bottom line is, be respectable, and TRY NOT TO BE HATED by others. > > The whole mumblage over security measures is as valuable, long term, in > this context, as gun control is towards reducing crime. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 09:29:31 -0700 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Jim Carrico > >> Stefan Reich wrote: >> >>> "Here's an interesting issue and one that is well to debate on Slashdot. It >>> is said on just about all the major news networks that there has been an >>> intelligence breakdown. That the terrorists use sophisticated encryption >>> measures and that our intelligence agencies are under-funded and don't have >>> the ability to keep tabs on the terrorists. Question: would you be willing >>> to trade your personal privacy for maybe some further measure of security >>>> from terrorists? Would you grant the people running Carnivore >>> greater rights >>> into your life in order to perhaps prevent more events like this? Is the >>> encryption export ban such a bad thing when stacked against 50,000 people's >>> lives?" >>> >>> (http://slashdot.org/articles/01/09/11/1842258.shtml) >> >> Nonsense discussion from the outset. > > > But chillingly serious all the same. Intelligence breakdown? I'll say > - except it happened about 20 years ago when the US "intelligence" > network trained and armed bin Laden to run terror operations against > the russians - > > Osama bin Laden comes home to roost: http://www.msnbc.com/news/190144.asp > Salon article on "blowback": > http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/09/12/blowback/ > > there's no mention of this in any mainstream media - I guess it must > be 'unpatriotic' to criticize anything that the US gov. does, has > done, or will do. That means, when W announces that > encrypted/anonymous communications are to blame for the disaster, > there will be no rebutal or critique in the media - and running a > freenet node will very quickly be equated with 'harbouring terrorism'. > > already people are shutting down remailers, ISPs are installing > carnivore - and I have a hunch that the SSSCA will sail through > congress without debate... > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:32:00 -0700 > From: coderman > > Jim Carrico wrote: >> >> Osama bin Laden comes home to roost: http://www.msnbc.com/news/190144.asp >> Salon article on "blowback": >> http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/09/12/blowback/ >> >> there's no mention of this in any mainstream media - I guess it must >> be 'unpatriotic' to criticize anything that the US gov. does, has >> done, or will do. > > I dont think thats true. A good many people already knew about CIA training > islamic militants to fight communist powers in Afgh. Its simply old news. > Even the movie 'The Seige' or something like that covered the topic in detail. > > But for most americans, they probably dont care. > > >> That means, when W announces that >> encrypted/anonymous communications are to blame for the disaster, >> there will be no rebutal or critique in the media - and running a >> freenet node will very quickly be equated with 'harbouring terrorism'. > > Yup. And I dont know about you, but even being 'suspected' of running > a service that aided terrorist communications (whether or not it is true) > is not a situation I would like to be in. Confiscated computer equipment > is almost never returned (maybe 2 years later) and a few nights in the clink > isnt much fun either. > > >> already people are shutting down remailers, ISPs are installing >> carnivore - and I have a hunch that the SSSCA will sail through >> congress without debate... >> > > The SSSCA is something entirely different, and I doubt it will sail through. > It has far to wide reaching impact, such as making it illegal to attach a > computer without DRM controls to the internat, or internal school networks, > etc. > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Chat mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat > > > End of Chat Digest ARTUR SOU eu a enviarte informação importante:divulga/sabes cut and paste.......eu não sei pratiquemos a não violencia ana _______________________________________________ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
