Actually you both have points I agree with on this subject. I think while there is a very small percentage of people here that are going for 100% stock look, I'll bet a true, "non-modified" car is extremely rare. Whether you put a different solenoid, change the wiring, or put a mini-starter on it, it's all modifications from what the factory did. While the cars were great in their day, a lot of things have been improved upon, and I think high tech has it's place on our cars. Each person has their idea of what works for them and that's what makes looking at other guy's cars fun and interesting. In fact, I have seen a lot of good ideas I just might use or modify from what others have done.
 
Now, since you mentioned wiring, ......man that is one area I think scares the heck out of most people. Everyone has their talents, things they will tackle,things they will learn, things they hire out, and things they get help with. That's just part of the hobby. But I happen to think that wiring is one of the most neglected parts of a restore because a lot of guys are afraid of screwing it up and places to take it to right are not cheap or readily advertised. I do understand this, as it's also one of the most dangerous areas of the car as far as fires go and connection frustrations can make you want to pull your remaining hair out. However, neglect in this area can be just as dangerous with insulation that cracks and falls off and wiring that can't handle new and heavier loads.
 
While I am no car wiring expert, and have to study up on it, my experience working in electronics and being around cars for years tells me that I don't want any old wiring left in my car, that I will upgrade wiring and connections and use high tech components and will have no connections that are crimped only. I'll be soldering all of my connections thank you! There are many good places to help with electrical components and the Street Rodders have many companies catering to them for a variety of needs. My friend have street rods and I attend their events and learned a lot about how they make a high tech street machine out of old junkers. One of my favorite companies for electrical products is Haywire. As with most other car companies, their web site sucks, but they have an old timer working for them that could wire up a gigawatt generator from steel wool if he had to. They also have a lot of other supply companies that have great ideas for electrical products including gold plated terminals, large gauge stranded wire, and things that look just as good as they perform. I think we have a lot we could learn from street rodders in this area.
 
                                                                                     Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Mike Holleman
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 12:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Starter

 Pete,
What in the world does need have to do with anything? We are car nuts. We want to spend money on things we want on our cars. Don't go trying to invoke common sense in to the mix. It don't fit. Jeez, I hope my wife doesn't read your post.
Mike
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Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Starter

In a message dated 9/3/2003 9:33:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Why are you going with a mini starter? heat soak, bad starter,



or just not enuff juice! Are you running a stock one now?



I was going to post this when I first signed up but was shy I guess........
On one of my 64 Chevelles I used to have problems with the starter not kicking in.
This was all from engine heat and 30 yr old (at the time) wiring.
It was a 6 cyl so the headers were on the other side of engine so no blaming them!
I bought a Chrysler starter relay which looks like a heavy duty version of a GM horn relay.
Sorry no part number and there were several variations, but figure mid 70's. (Find an old parts guy)
Mine has a 5/16" stud for incoming current, #10 or 12 screw for outgoing, and a blade terminal for the actuating voltage. (plus a mounting bracket built in)
Pretty simple on a six cylinder as I could mount it on starter end bolt.
I took the current from the pos. battery cable post on solenoid, ran outgoing from relay to where original wire from ign switch use to hook on to solenoid, snip terminal off original wire and replace with female blade terminal and plug onto relay.
Now all original circuit has to do is energize relay and the juice for solenoid only has to go through about 6" of wire instead of tortuous path through marginal sized original wiring.
Be sure to clean mounting surface and use a toothed lockwasher to ensure grounding of relay. (or relay won't actuate)
Hope this helps. Has worked great for me.
IMHO I think a lot of you don't need high dollar starters.
The above and decent sized starter cables (as in heavier than OEM) help a lot.
Most of my ailments when using a 64 for everyday use were electrical in nature.
Anybody else feel that way?

Pete Geurds
64 Malibu SS
64 Malibu 4 door
64 Chevelle 2 dr wagon


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