RE: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?

[Dan Mascheck]

I work in the ag sector and with all the smaller farms we have…I’m seeing them go south for the winter. With recent fuel prices being so high even with the recent drop, fertilizer is astronomical, and the price they receive is so low. It’s impossible to pencil a cash flow. Only if you’re a huge corporate farm can you maybe make it!   My son served two terms in Iraq. Thank God he’s alive and well! We’ll be paying the cost for years. I some time wonder if the Iraqi’s really appreciate the sacrifice? Add fuel, Katrina, and all the other negative things going on, I feel like we are getting ready to hit a brick wall on the economy! I pray I’m wrong!!   From: Clint Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:55 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?   Germany's reunification with Combloc East Germany is the main reason for their struggles,at the moment. It's certainly not us kicking their butts. As for France,who the heck cares? <G> I'm an optimist but the US economy isn't doing that well,Matt. Most of the economic indicators are trending downward. However,disasters like Katrina sure haven't done us any favors. Even though I support what we're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan,the cost is hurting us,bigtime. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Post   What people fail to see and what the media fails to report is how well our economy is actually doing.  Europe and Asia cannot keep up.  With the exception of China, who has to revert to unfair trade practices to succeed,  we are doing better than anywhere else.  Japan has been in a decade long depression (wonder it that's why they don't buy American products), Germany has been in a recession, unemployment is over 10% in France..........We've become a country of pessimists and the media just fuels that belief. At 04:28 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley Davidson. However,unfair trade with the Chinese is what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: James Strunk my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if it's your right,,,,you ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Marlon Hanson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren? I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is getting harder and harder. Marlon. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after the cars are built in America?   BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000 employees.   Rich -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Post Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built anymore?  And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.?  I doubt it.  Larry makes a good point, but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly Japanese parts.  They are assembled here to avoid the customs duties associated with finished goods, but GM and Ford do the same thing in Europe. I guess my point is that the lines are very blurred.  People can say "Buy American" and I'm all for it, but you have to wonder how much of the product is really American.  Besides, the Japanese automaker pays taxes to Uncle Sam for selling their ca! rs here, same as GM or Ford. Matt At 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry Shouse wrote: I'm not ashamed of owning a Japanese vehicle. As far as I'm concerned it's our right as an American to buy what we feel to be the best fit and value for our given situation. Besides, many "Japanese" cars and trucks are assembled here in the United States, while many of our American vehicles are assembled in other countries. Same goes for parts. You want to buy strictly American? That's your right and I will defend your right to do so, but good luck accomplishing your goal.   Larry Shouse ----- Original Message ----- From: James Strunk To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I have an idea,,no a suggestion,get rid of that japanese car,,anybody should be ashamed to own japanese cars,they restict owr big three automakers to a specific # of cars that can be sold in japan,, FAIR TRADE ??? I've said before,,If you see me in a japanese car or truck,,call the law,,I've been kidnapped !!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? ok ok somebody has got to step and be the expert ......somebody? anybody ? gezzzzz maybe all of us together are the experts lol Darin Bailey