[chhattisgarh-net] Digest Number 2077[1 Attachment]

Fri, 25 Dec 2009 02:58:15 -0800

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Re: Copenhagen to Hot and barren

Posted by: "Nagraj Adve" nagraj.a...@gmail.com   nagrajadve

Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:59 am (PST)



Kundan, Rahul,

Both your mails raise just the kind of issues that need to be debated in
wider and wider circles and organizations.
Kundan, the S___ will really hit the fan when peaking oil production and the
worsening groundwater crisis hit us simultaneously along with climate
change. The second and third are already here; the first (peak oil) will
take another ten years, about 2020. I feel these three mega-issues combined
will alter the very frame, context and reference points in which we
articulate and engage in politics. And it is going to happen soon, not very
far away.

>From my chats with small and marginal farmers and activists from different
regions, my lay sense is that impacts have been hitting people in India for
10-15 years. They say it started slowly then (changing rainfall patterns,
etc) and has been getting worse/ more severe in more recent years, but they
didn't used to be able to make the link with climate change earlier, now
they do. But because of the lag between CO2 emissions and warming, impacts
are going to unavoidably worsen. How much worse it gets depends on how fast
we cut emissions worldwide. However, I've felt for at least a couple of
years now that we will not be able to avoid dangerous levels of warming (now
understood as 2 deg C). What lies beyond is understood only by a few and
little talked about even in activist circles but Mark Lynas' book Six
Degrees which discussed impacts degree by degree is one of the grimmest I've
ever read.

Rahul, you've mentioned your house and office over the phone before and it
seems remarkable. Cities like Delhi where I live have higher embodied
emissions than Indore, but I reckon you will have to add your travel out of
station to your carbon footprint. For instance, it's 30 kgs CO2 per
passenger by train from Delhi to Bombay for about 1,300 kms; hence a return
trip is 60 kgs. (In comparison, were one to fly the same distance, it's 180
kgs one way plus the fact that condensation trails from flying have a
warming potential that is 2.7 times that of CO2.)

The hurdle we face is that loads of people have bought in to existing
development trajectories, even those among its victims. It's easy for us to
point fingers at Obama, Manmohan Singh et al after Copenhagen but it's not
just the very rich, there are lots of others lower down the economic ladder
who are a great deal for 'development', 'growth', etc. We face that in one
way at every college meeeting we address here on global warming. One common
question we are asked is: "Are you against growth?" What about
industrialization? Sections among the mainstream left (even the far Left),
unions and others reflect this vieowpoint.

One final point: to me it follows from the above that we need to go beyond
our critiques of current development trajectories/ industrialization/
displacement and evolve a comprehensive alternative that crucially is
theoretically able to provide the employment levels necessary given current
numbers entering the labour market. Such an alternative would need to have
agriculture at its base for many obvious reasons, not least because 650
million people are dependent on it. It would also need to be region
specific, say, what works for the plains may not work for the mid-Himalayas.
This would need many organizations to come togeether to evolve something
like this.

Excuse yet again the length of this mail but actually there's a lot more to
say and chat about.
Naga

On 24/12/2009, rahul <aaroh...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Naga,
>
> Extremely well put. Not surprising given that you are focused on this
> issue.
>
> At the individual level even when living in a city it is possible to limit
> emissions at the individual level.

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Re: Copenhagen to Hot and barren

Posted by: "rahul" aaroh...@yahoo.com   aarohini

Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:36 am (PST)



The actual calculations are not important because I am sure that just by living in a modern city we are overshooting the safe limit regardless of whatever our personal consumption is.

What is important is that we realise that a time has come when we have to take stock of the limits imposed by nature to further growth.

Just saying that agriculture will be the base of a new economy will not get us far because the agriculture being practised now is mostly going against nature.

Each and every activity will have to be assessed for sustainability. And we have to start with the colossal stupidity of maintaining hugely armed standing armies which are there basically to defend unconscionable resource extraction for equally unethical profit making.

Rahul Banerjee
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From: Nagraj Adve <nagraj.adve@gmail.com>
To: chhattisgarh-n...@yahoogroups.com; Santanu Chakraborty <santanuchakra@yahoo.com>; Leena Rao <leenav...@gmail.com>; rajender negi <negirs0...@yahoo.co.in>; Thomas J Mathew <thomasjmathew@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, 24 December, 2009 16:49:45
Subject: Re: [chhattisgarh-net] Copenhagen to Hot and barren

Kundan, Rahul,

Both your mails raise just the kind of issues that need to be debated in
wider and wider circles and organizations.

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State-Sponsored Lawlessness At Narayanpatna

Posted by: "javed" antija...@yahoo.co.uk   antijaved

Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:02 am (PST)



Dear friends,

Pls find here my article on Narayanpatna.

http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=State-sponsored+lawlessness+at+Narayanpatna&artid=mzdUDZbDoNo=&SectionID=XVSZ2Fy6Gzo=&MainSectionID=XVSZ2Fy6Gzo=&SEO=Narayanpatna,+Chasi+Mulia+Adivasi+Sangh,+Nihar+Ran&SectionName=m3GntEw72ik=

Javed


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Re: Maoists' condition for talks with government

Posted by: "op goel" opg...@yahoo.com   opgoel

Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:03 am (PST)



No conditions can be unilateral. The Maoists will have to eschew violence as well. They cannot ask the govt to let down their defences while they continue doing what they are good at.

opgoel

--- On Thu, 12/24/09, Shubhranshu Choudhary <s...@cgnet.in> wrote:

From: Shubhranshu Choudhary <s...@cgnet.in>
Subject: [chhattisgarh-net] Maoists' condition for talks with government
To: "chhattisgarh-net" <chhattisgarh-n...@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 9:15 AM

Maoists' condition for talks with government

http://www.ptinews.com/news/437581_Maoists--condition-for-talks-with-government

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Youth festival at Koraput

Posted by: "bidyut Mohanty" bidyut.moha...@gmail.com

Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:05 am (PST)

[Attachment(s) from bidyut Mohanty included below]

Dear Friends,

Koraput Chapter of INTACH is organising three days of youth festival at
Koraput. Please find the letter from mr. K.C. Panigrahy, Convener of INTACH,
Koraput.

Regards,

Bidyut.

Sub : DONGAR meet at KORAPUT (Odisha).*

Dear Friends,

I am attaching herewith an article written on the eve of 'DONGAR
meet' to be held at the *Tribal Museum, Koraput - 764020, *Odisha
starting *from
January 10, 2010 and ends on January 12,* *the 'National Youth Day'. *This
meet is organised by the *Koraput Chapter of intach* (Indian National Trust
for Arts and Cultural Heritage) to commemorate the *Silver Jublee* year of
INTACH. This will be an annual event to inspire the youths for safeguarding
Intangible Cultural Heritage of the area they live. TheDONGAR - meet is a
movement conceptualised to encourage inter-relationship, association, and
co-operation between the populace of Koraput plateau.

We request you to circulate this message to all concerned with
an advise them to attend the meet either as an observer or a resource
person.

Yours faithfully,

For INTACH, Koraput Chapter (Odisha)

(K.C. Panigrahy)
Convener
--
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them.

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Fast for self purification from 26th Dec by Himanshu Kumar

Posted by: "vcadantew...@gmail.com" vcadantew...@gmail.com

Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:35 am (PST)



Dear friends,

In a country ,where most Adivasi men, women and children suffer from chronic
hunger and are often starved, hunger can hardly be a form of protest. I
can only express solidarity with their sufferings. So as I decide to go on
voluntary self purificatory fast as long as my strength permits.

I am not protesting, but requesting all of us to look inwards and seek justice in our own eyes.

The administration, organizations and individuals at all layers should ask
themselves whether it is justified in repressing violently and detaining
forcibly in camps and/or forcing them to flee to jungles or to other states
to save their lives and livelihood, without meeting their minimal
requirement of resettlement back in their villages, a requirement
recognized by the supreme court.

Is the desire to be resettled back in their own villages a crime?

Maoists should ask themselves whether resorting to violence can improve the
conditions of adivasis without drawing them into the killings and
sufferings of a civil war among our own people.

Violence breeds violence and spirals into a situation which goes totally out of control. This
applies both to the government and to the Maoists irrespective of their
intentions.

The large mining corporates should ask themselves whether profit and more
profit is all that matters irrespective of the suffering they bring to the
people. They should ask themselves how many people they have dispossessed
and displaced without their consent in our democracy.

Finally, this is the time for me to introspect through this fast on the
right path, because my actions so far have not helped the Adivasis with
whom I share only a little their daily suffering.

Himanshu
9425260031

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Merry Christmas

Posted by: "sarmistha roy" sarmi...@gmail.com

Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:46 am (PST)



Dear friends

Merry Chistmas to you and your family.

Sarmistha

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