And to add...I do not think it is right to question her being deaf! What difference does that make anyway and to me it is just kind of mean! The question she posed has to do with paying for a vet bill for the new owner of one of her puppies. She admitted that due to the cold conditions of her home the puppy contracted a cold. To me it's simple...a good breeder Is responsible For that...period! It should not matter what the law says. If you can't stand behind a condition that YOU created then don't breed dogs...period!! We should not be questioning her about her heating bills or any other financial aspect of her life...except to say she should do the right thing by this pup. I have to add that I am kind of disappointed in us as a group...I get that some of you are not in favor of breeders...but how about instead of bashing her we just let her know what and where her responsibilities lie with this situation. Maybe she might become a breeder we could be in support of if she learned the level of responsibility involved in breeding. Bashing and attacking her will not do that...it just makes our group look mean and judgmental!!
Wagging Tails in the Dog Park! Deanna and the Dog Park Gang: Nugget, Shuai Li, Mable, Mouse, Myrtle, Madison, Caleb and Maxine >From the mountains of CA http://swlf.lilyslim.com/v3T7m8.png?h9j6wId9 On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:34 AM, "dasha" <[email protected]> wrote: > I am not sure why the question was even asked, but it sounds like you are > both doubting Marsha being deaf? I already answered this but if you did not > see it let me know and I will answer it again > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Shanna Machanpalli > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 10:58 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Re: oppinion? > > very good joan! I said the same thing. > > Shanna & Ricky > Las Vegas Nevada!! > > My Chi Ricky... Is A HeartBeat At My Feet > > Kavis Christening n Communion Store > > Visit my eBay Store: > http://stores.ebay.com/Kavis-Christening-n-Communion-Store > > --- On Sat, 2/12/11, Joan Croft <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Joan Croft <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Re: oppinion? > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 8:44 AM > > > How can you talk to the vet and hear what he says if you are deaf? > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of ownedbychis > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:17 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: oppinion? > > > > In the interest of space and making a long story short i gave a brief > overview. If you want the play by play......met her at 2:00. She called my > mom at 5. That was MY first hint anything was wrong period. She dud not have > to take it, meaning it had been in her possession 3 hours. I offered then and > there to take it back. WE (actually meaning her and my mom since I dont talk > on the phone) and me duscussed the cough at that time. She did not have to > take it. I would have come and got it. Dont tell me she was too emotionally > attached in 3 hrs. Nor had she spent in vet bills. BUT my contract requires > her to get it seen by a vet. I am still not convinced if the pup is even > sick. I trust my mom when she says pup was xoughing a little. Why not let ne > talk to the vet and hear for myself how sick it is? > > --- In [email protected], Shanna Machanpalli <chi_kavi@...> wrote: > > > > FOR ONE.. WE ARE NOT STUPID, and flaming here is not allowed here. You are > > the one who said the pups were sick with a *COLD*. A COLD IS BEING SICK... > > the pup was sick when the lady came to pick it up.. your words! you told > > her she could take the pup or leave it... so yes it was sick when it left. > >  read what you wrote. > > > > <We had already arranged pick up of the pup on Sunday so when I met her we > > > discussed the cold. She did not have to take the pup but I told her, if > > > she wants it, take it to the vet and if the vet says anything is wrong,> > > > > you can not even remember what you wrote. > > > > Shanna & Ricky > > Las Vegas Nevada!! > > > > My Chi Ricky... Is A HeartBeat At My Feet > > > > Kavis Christening n Communion Store > > > > Visit my eBay Store: > > http://stores.ebay.com/Kavis-Christening-n-Communion-Store > > > > --- On Sat, 2/12/11, ownedbychis <ruffles@...> wrote: > > > > > > From: ownedbychis <ruffles@...> > > Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: oppinion? > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 7:54 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Im gonna try to tell this again because apparently some people are to > > stupid to get it the first time. Pup was seen by my vet and yes given its > > shots by my vet and given a clean bill if health. Pup was not sick when it > > left here. Lady wont even give me her vet info so frankly i think she us > > lying. And if you think I make money on pups you are livibg in a fantasy > > land. > > > > Those of you who know me probably know this is not my normal way of > > handleing issues. But this whole thing gas rubbed me very wrong! First in > > 13 yrs this is my second complaint and i come humbly to a group and ask > > oppinions on right and wrong and instead of offering honest mature > > oppinions the people i put my trust in start cutting me down when they know > > nothing about me. So while normally i handle dramz better, right now i am > > just in a "screw it" mood because I havd never dealt with this before and > > there are a lot of jerks out there > > > > --- In [email protected], Shanna Machanpalli <chi_kavi@> wrote: > > > > > > Well Peggy! You said everything I wanted to say when I read it... so I > > > then I TOTALLY AGREE with you! > > > > > > however, I have to add my 2 cents!: > > > > > > To the OP - if the pup or puppies were sick, it should not have left > > > your home (or maybe its better off now). going out in the cold weather > > > here and there only makes it worse on the pup. how will it get better? > > > you do not care about the puppies... just money or you would not have let > > > the pup go in the first place. You also would be paying for the vet > > > bills. as peggy said, what is the difference if you pay the vet with her > > > or a vet with you? I wonder if they even got shots! AND for heat, > > > you could have bought a heating pad and put under there box, or a heat > > > light bulb which you can get at a pet store in the reptile dept. how > > > about a little heater next to there box? > > > there are ways to keep animals warm if you want to. you just do not care > > > about the puppies as I said.. JUST MONEY. I hope that the lady does not > > > give you back the puppy! > > > > > > Shanna & Ricky > > > Las Vegas Nevada!! > > > > > > My Chi Ricky... Is A HeartBeat At My Feet > > > > > > Kavis Christening n Communion Store > > > > > > Visit my eBay Store: > > > http://stores.ebay.com/Kavis-Christening-n-Communion-Store > > > > > > --- On Sat, 2/12/11, Peggy & The Girls <phrpg5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Peggy & The Girls <phrpg5@> > > > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] oppinion? > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 3:49 AM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why won't you pay for the Vet bills? You admit the pup got sick while > > > under your care. Does this mean that if she returned the pup to > > > you, that you wouldn't take the pup to a Vet and pay to make it healthy > > > again? Why would you purposely sell a sick puppy to begin with, if > > > you are so concerned about your reputation? > > >  > > > To be honest, you should not have bred dogs to begin with if you can't > > > supply adequate heat for them. > > > You should not be breeding dogs at all, if you have no intentions > > > of giving them Vet care when you know that is always a possibility > > > when breeding dogs. > > >  > > > The woman is obviously in love with the puppy, like so many of us get > > > when we buy a puppy and yes I think she is looking for you to pay the Vet > > > bill and yes you should be made accountable to pay it. > > >  > > > You just labeled yourself as a typical Back Yard Breeder. A good breeder > > > would have had the mother and all the pups checked by a Vet before they > > > are sold, regardless if the pups were sick or not. A good breeder would > > > not breed dogs knowing they can't give them the extra heat that they > > > need. A good breeder makes sure that he/she has money set aside for Vet > > > bills Before they breed.  A good breeder doesn't just breed to make > > > money off of livestock, they breed to better the breed. > > >  > > >  > > > > > >  > > >  > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > >  > > > > > > From: ruffles@ > > > Date: 2/11/2011 10:25:24 PM > > > To: [email protected];  chiexpressions;  > > > [email protected];  chrisdbf > > > Subject: [Chihuahuas] oppinion? > > >   > > > > > > Would like some oppinions here. Sending this to Christian groups for moral > > > oppinion, breeder's group for the breeder's oppinion and non-breeder chi > > > group for the buyer's oppinion...covering all my basis :-) > > > > > > My pups were ready to go Monday, and they went quick! 3 of the available 4 > > > were sold before they were ready to go! However, last week was extremely > > > cold here. I'm gonna be very frank and honest. I can not afford to keep my > > > heat very high. My temps inside my home are set at 56. We keep > > > covered..its the best I can do. Anyhow, a couple of the pup's got a cold. > > > We had already arranged pick up of the pup on Sunday so when I met her we > > > discussed the cold. She did not have to take the pup but I told her, if > > > she wants it, take it to the vet and if the vet says anything is wrong, > > > she can return it and I will give her her money back. Monday I called her > > > to see what the vet said. She said the vet said the pup had broncitis but > > > was otherwise healthy and gave it some antibiotics and said he would be > > > fine in a few days. Again, I offered her a refund and return of the pup. > > > She said no. Said he would be fine. My contract states you have 72 hours > > > to tell me you want to return the pup and it states that if there is any > > > health concerns, remedies are limited to buy back of pup...I will not pay > > > vet bills. > > > > > > Today she calls says it has been a week (actually only been 5 days) said > > > the pup was still not better and that vet wanted to do x-rays ect and > > > said it was genetic. I told her it absolutely was not genetic. I also > > > told her, although it had been longer than 72 hours, in order to preserve > > > my good name, I am STILL willing to give her her money back and she can > > > return the pup. She said they would wait and see what the test say and > > > then decide, then hung up. So I texted her and told her I would keep the > > > offer for a refund open another 24 hours....which will be 6 days total > > > when my contract clearly states 72 hours. > > > > > > I do not know what she is wanting. I think maybe she expects me to pay the > > > vet bill, I don't know....but what more should I do? I will NOT pay vet > > > bills. I do accept that the pup got sick under my care which is why I have > > > extended the refund time. But at some point, I have to be able to say the > > > deal is done. > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
