Dear Sir,
1-I tried to explain in my response why I was offended and did apologize for
any offense given on my part in my April 23 post (which I have pasted below)
hoping to end this sorry thread. I tried to show that Churchill (who I think
exemplifies manhood and I erred in assuming that anyone would understand that),
in contrast to your bent, did not need to flaunt his masculinity or subdue his
'feminine' side or was threatened by women. He was his own man so to say. Your
message just explains what generates the underlying insecurity I sensed that
drives your mission.
2-I am not a Ms. but a Mrs. I am a senior disabled citizen who respects men
especially the Winston Churchill kind and have a very open mind.
3- By the way, neo-Hitlers have already arisen. I have raised three sons who
are willing and able to stand up for themselves and our country as have
countless other women with and without husbands. That men and women today are
raising strong patriots is easily verified by acknowledging and appreciating
our troops on active duty and recent and past veterans. I venture to say you
are trapped in some feminazi time-warp. We ARE raising our sons to have 'the
right stuff.'
4-I am not threatened by your approach, I just don't agree with it or think it
is necessary and myself have never belonged to a group which excludes anyone
based on gender, race, creed or color for whatever good intentions or comic
affect. Besides, your list of excluding organizations doesn't make it right or
justify your reaction to do the same. I do not know of any men or boys so
down-trodden by women as you describe. I see loving men and women sharing
life's challenges and relying on mutual support. Churchill quoted these lines
from Rule, Britannia: 'Blest Isle, with matchless beauty crowned and manly
hearts to guard the fair...' (Triumph and Tragedy, page 26). Churchill was a
romantic in the best sense of the word and so are the strong and brave men I am
proud to call friends.
5-You scoff at the idea of 600 women acting in unison and mock 'The Women's
Chamber of Commerce' yet label me snide, mocking and a potential insulter. You
complain of your daughter ignoring you among other female based
frustrations and exude a feeling that you and our current generation of boys
are being ignored or subjugated by 'She who must be obeyed.' Bosh!! Stop
whining! You are, in fact surrounded by an army of manly men and boys who
don't need you in your ego-centric view to remold them in your image. The
Churchill Centre's mission of holding up Sir Winston as a role model is good
enough for me.
Carol
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4-23-09 6:35am
Let me make myself perfectly clear: Sir Winston Churchill was a manly,
masculine man who was a gentleman of great power yet capable of possessing some
of those 'female' characteristics not appreciated and apparently feared by the
founder of www.he-manwomenhaters.net It is the difference between a juvenile
'rascal' and a mature man who is a gentleman and respectful of all. I tried to
be satirical as I hope the website is intended and I understand the need for
male-bonding and a book club just shouts out manliness; but as Freud would say
there must be some underlying insecurity. I intended no one to wear lipstick
who was not a female pit-bull! Please accept my apology if I was offensive
also--I tried to be a lady.
Carol
--- On Sun, 4/26/09, James T. Slattery <[email protected]> wrote:
From: James T. Slattery <[email protected]>
Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: Book Recommendation
To: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 6:54 PM
Dear Ms. Mueller,
Thank you for exemplifying why my men's only group exists. Your response
is similar to other women who are threatened with the idea that men might
actually enjoy each others company and want to engage in activities without
having to ask for permission or support from women and that men would want to
work towards regaining their status in society.
By the way, my group is one of only three men's only groups that I know of
in San Antonio whereas there are over fifteen women only groups i.e.. Chambers
of Commerce, Scrape Booking, Bible Study, Retreats, etc. and this was Fiesta
week in San Antonio where the Battle of the Flowers Parade was held which is
proudly trumpeted as being lead and organized by a women's only group with
over 600 members. (How anyone could get 600 women to do anything is a miracle
in itself. I can't even get my daughter to clean up her room.)
But I digress...
There is much more I could impart but I suspect you have the same mindset as
other women I've encountered. The kind who doesn't want listen to the facts
because you're mind is set and you derive some benefit from it being so.
I will submit that the core founding idea of my group is that I'm, and many
others, are very concerned about how we are raising our boys. The newer
generations of boys think they have less stake in their country because of the
way they are being treated. Even though over 64% of college students are women
they still receive benefits and support as though they are a downtrodden
minority. It is also true that there are more men in their 30s living at home
than any other time in our history.
My concern is that when the next Hitler surfaces, which is likely because
of the ego-centric way we raise our boys, their won't be another Churchill to
take up the challenge to defeat him. My fear is that when the next Churchill,
if their is one, calls out the Dogs of War they'll all be slouching on their
parents couch with no intentions of fighting for a society that has lowered
their status and in some cases such as yours mocked them. The bottom line is
that more young men die defending their country than any other group combined.
If our society continues to raise our boys the way we do and treat them with
contempt who will protect us, the Women's Chamber of Commerce?
I assume your last comment about The Churchill Centre South Texas was an
attempt to be snide and not an attempt to insult me or the fine folks who are
members and supporters of our Centre.
If you're interested to learn more go to www.northernkingdom.us where you will
see my books and links to other pages.
Sincerely and most respectfully,
jim
James (Jim) T. Slattery
Founder, The Churchill Centre South Texas
2803 Red River Creek
San Antonio, TX 78259
Mobile: 210-601-2143
[email protected]
www.thechurchillcentresouthtexas.com
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From: Carol Mueller
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Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:58 PM
Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: Book Recommendation
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Dear Manly Man,
I don't think Churchill is your man! He went weak-kneed at the sight of a
beautiful or intelligent woman. He cried copiously and was terrifically
sentimental. He married a strong, (not to say 'manly') woman and 'lived happily
ever-after.' He was masculine without being hateful of anyone ('except Hitler,
and that was strictly professional...') and overall is a poor roll-model for
your group. His overall positive attitude comes out in all his written works
and could deflect your group from its purpose. Although I have not been able
to offer you a recommendation, I see that many other Churchillians have stepped
up and provided you with assistance. So, carry on, soldier!
p.s. Are women allowed in your Churchill Centre South Texas?
Carol
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