Now I'm really confused. Whose project is this? I had originally thought it was Prof. Muller's project, in which case he would be free to change publishers in case they weren't producing. I was then given to understand that it was a St. Augustine Press project and they had contracted with Prof. Muller to do the annotation. In that case, while they would control the publication date, Prof. Muller should be adequately compensated under his contract. So how does the Churchill Centre all of a sudden come into this? Who, if anyone, is running the show and are we ever going to see a published result? Or should we just kiss it off and go on to something else. Jonathan Hayes
From: STAN ORCHARD <bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca> To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:02 PM Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War <!--#yiv8711801794 _filtered #yiv8711801794 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8711801794 {font-family:"Cambria Math";panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv8711801794 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv8711801794 #yiv8711801794 p.yiv8711801794MsoNormal, #yiv8711801794 li.yiv8711801794MsoNormal, #yiv8711801794 div.yiv8711801794MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;}#yiv8711801794 a:link, #yiv8711801794 span.yiv8711801794MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8711801794 a:visited, #yiv8711801794 span.yiv8711801794MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8711801794 p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;}#yiv8711801794 p.yiv8711801794MsoListParagraph, #yiv8711801794 li.yiv8711801794MsoListParagraph, #yiv8711801794 div.yiv8711801794MsoListParagraph {margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;}#yiv8711801794 p.yiv8711801794msonormal, #yiv8711801794 li.yiv8711801794msonormal, #yiv8711801794 div.yiv8711801794msonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;}#yiv8711801794 p.yiv8711801794msochpdefault, #yiv8711801794 li.yiv8711801794msochpdefault, #yiv8711801794 div.yiv8711801794msochpdefault {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;}#yiv8711801794 span.yiv8711801794msohyperlink {}#yiv8711801794 span.yiv8711801794msohyperlinkfollowed {}#yiv8711801794 span.yiv8711801794emailstyle17 {}#yiv8711801794 p.yiv8711801794msonormal1, #yiv8711801794 li.yiv8711801794msonormal1, #yiv8711801794 div.yiv8711801794msonormal1 {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv8711801794 span.yiv8711801794msohyperlink1 {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8711801794 span.yiv8711801794msohyperlinkfollowed1 {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8711801794 span.yiv8711801794emailstyle171 {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv8711801794 p.yiv8711801794msochpdefault1, #yiv8711801794 li.yiv8711801794msochpdefault1, #yiv8711801794 div.yiv8711801794msochpdefault1 {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv8711801794 span.yiv8711801794EmailStyle28 {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;color:#1F497D;}#yiv8711801794 .yiv8711801794MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv8711801794 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv8711801794 div.yiv8711801794WordSection1 {}#yiv8711801794 _filtered #yiv8711801794 {} _filtered #yiv8711801794 {} _filtered #yiv8711801794 {} _filtered #yiv8711801794 {} _filtered #yiv8711801794 {} _filtered #yiv8711801794 {} _filtered #yiv8711801794 {} _filtered #yiv8711801794 {} _filtered #yiv8711801794 {} _filtered #yiv8711801794 {}#yiv8711801794 ol {margin-bottom:0in;}#yiv8711801794 ul {margin-bottom:0in;}-->My interpretation of Lee's posting is that there is some financial contribution threshold from The Churchill Centre that needs to be reached before the book can be published. And if the Centre had more cash flow the book would have been printed and shipped long ago. If this is the case then why not just confess the shortfall and provide everyone with a realistic timeline to publication based upon facts and circumstances that everyone can understand. Is this the end? The beginning of the end? Or, at least the end of the beginning? Stan BullfrogControl.com Inc. 69A Burnside Road West Victoria, British Columbia CANADA V9A 1B6 bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca 250-858-FROG (3764) www.bullfrogcontrol.com Sent from my BlackBerry® PlayBook™ www.blackberry.com From: "Lee Pollock" <pollock...@rcn.com> To: "churchillchat@googlegroups.com" <churchillchat@googlegroups.com> Sent: 22 October, 2016 3:05 PM Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War Dear Jonathan: I wish I could tell you and the other members of this chat group that Prof. Muller has been “well compensated” for his 15+ years of work on this immense undertaking, but that unfortunately is not the case. While The Churchill Centre has been continuously supportive of his efforts on this and other Churchill works, we are a small non-profit and have limited funds available for grants for research and writing, no matter how worthy, as this edition of The River War surely is. Specialized works of this kind do not garner big advances from publishers and St. Augustine Press itself is a small independent enterprise in a world where the publishing and bookselling trades are under stress. But I would like to offer the following suggestions: 1. This chat group has a fairly large number of members, many of whom are not members of The Churchill Centre. I encourage those of you who are not to join, which you can do online or by using the attached form. If you so indicate, one hundred percent of your first year’s dues will be used to support the research and writing of Prof. Muller and other scholars. 2. For those who are already members (and for others): we welcome contributions of any amount that you might consider and you can designate that your funds be used to support publication of this new edition of The River War and/or for general research by Prof. Muller and others. I hope you will all give favorable consideration to these suggestions. Lee PollockExecutive DirectorThe Churchill CentreChicago, IL 60603lpoll...@winstonchurchill.org From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chateaustegosau...@att.net Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 11:38 AM To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War I, also, received a notice that the October pub date was off, but they didn't give a new one. I hope Prof. Muller has been well compensated for his work 'cause there ain't going to be any royalties. Jonathan Hayes From: Dave Turrell <daturr...@verizon.net> To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 4:40 PM Subject: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War In doing some desultory web browsing today, I note that the latest date that St Augustine Press has been giving for publication of Jim Muller’s ‘River War’ (September 2016) has been and gone, like so many of their other proposed publication dates over the last 15 years or more. Checking with Amazon, it seems that they were, at least, not taken in by the latest, and still show a publication date of November 2013. While I think that most of us have come to accept the prospect of publication of this work as being something of a bizarre ongoing joke, I wonder if St. Augustine will get round to not referring to their offering as having a foreword by “Churchill’s only surviving child, Lady Soames”. That strikes me as being a little tacky, at best. 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