Hi Matt, your post contains some points about "mindset" I want to respond to -- especially with regards to "Cin-3"
The Project? Some days ago you saw the first quasi-official mention on the ML. It is just emerging as a project, and it /will/ be a project separate from Cinelerra. It started out by some devs worrying about the state of Cinelerra-2 project and code base. We first tried the "patching and repairing" aproach, then the "rework some subsystem and bring in a new spirit" aproach and -- now it evolves into a separate project. Note: I don't blame anyone, I just say, this is what happened. The Name? "Cin-3" is a placeholder until we have decided on a new name, then we will do the renaming. Indeed, for all of us there /is/ a tight connection to Cinelerra, because we are part of the community, use it for our editing work (and will continue to do so). Moreover, some hint in the name connecting it to "Cinema", "Film", "Video", "NLE" and "Linux" seems to be a good idea to start with. ( and it should be female :-P ) > Honestly, it's depressing how > many of the suggestions I've seen are still obviously trying hard to work > in as many letters from "Cinelerra" as possible, and still calling it > "Cinelerra 3" in the discussion of what official name to give it. It's > clear that in people's minds, it *is* Cinelerra 3, and the result of the > naming discussion won't change how it's thought of. Can you tell me please what's depressing with that? Even if we often curse Cinelerra, because it crashes or hinders our work by some features being designed in a limited and to simplistic fashion, we should never forget it /is/ an achievement to have a complete editing application which is basically usable for pro work. Would you have started such a ambitious project 10 years ago from scratch? - Cinelerra can work with uncompressed material, and enables you to work on MPEG material (eg. HDV) as a source format (not a delivery format!) - Cinelerra gives you *total* control on what is happening with your video data. No "wizzard" or "cheat sheet" is patronising you, which is an absolute must for professional work. - Cinelerra has an compositing engine seemlessly integrated into the normal workflow. Together with the automation facility, you can build quite advanced processing chains "right in there" out of basic building blocks (including the "pull" principle for rendering) I don't want to loose this power and I don't want to change the fundamental approach with regards to this points, and I don't see any reason to be ashamed of following this route. I understand, that from a users POV, you may not find much "killer features" in our new project to start with. We even postponed GUI discussions. We just want to unleash the power by removing obstacles. The developer may note though, that this isn't possible without reconsidering, reworking or even building from scratch almost all core parts of the application, because the problems Cinelerra is suffering from are not like "things" laying around and waiting to be spotted and removed. By following this route we will be able to build some real advanced features on top of it later on, to make it really open for all sorts of extensions and to provide the guidance features and safe presets Cinelerra is lacking, without the danger of limiting advancedd uses. Cheers Hermann V. _______________________________________________ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
