If I may...

I've had my CCNP for some time now and am trying to work towards the IE.
This year, my company put out a new product which requires a Linux platform
on the network. Since I am in the Operations side of the house, I was sent
to Red Hat training to support it. The Final Course was the RH300 which
includes the RHCE test at the end. It is a one day, performanced based,
test. The test was good. It was certainly challenging. But my Linux
experience goes back only a month prior to the test, since I didn't touch it
until I found out I would be sent to training, and I passed. Granted it was
the by the "skin of my teeth" but I passed. How many could pass the CCIE lab
while having only a month of experience?

After having gone through all of this, my thoughts are thus. Unless you have
to be a jack of all trades, don't waste your time. Cisco and Linux, although
using one sometimes requires the use of the other, are really two different
worlds. The time you spend on Linux is time that could have been spent
trying to become Priscilla or Howard :)

I also think nrf could not have been more correct about the upcoming
generation both being able to skunk the rest of us on Linux due to their
recreation time spent coding as well as their inabiluty/lack of desire to
learn networking. If you really desire to become a sysadmin, go for it.
Otherwise.....

Adam
Senior Network Engineer
Pac-West Telecomm, Inc.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Tommy Bartus" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: CCIE Vs. Linux engineer (not Ph.d) [7:66669]


> I think I can add my 5 cents in here. I believe any certification is good
> the more you have the broader range of knowledge you will have. I believe
> the Cisco certification is great and I grade it at the top, the reason is
> the broad range of knowledge. The telecom world is huge and just knowing
all
> the standards can take you a lifetime - if you like to take this
challenge!
>
>
>
> I have looked at the Linux certification, and I guess you need to put
> attention at what is offered. From what I have seen there are various
Linux
> certifications - the typical the one is the Linux Configuration +
> Administration. There seems to be lots of courses in this area, but it
does
> not pay as good or is as hard as the Cisco (CCIE) certification - on my
> humble opinion. The high paying jobs I have seen for Linux relate to
> programming and good knowledge of the OS and its administration. This is
> like having a MCSE + MCSD in the Windows world. I guess my suggestion is
> that choose what you like to do first, then research the market place for
> the proper solution.
>
>
>
> I'm not a CCIE yet and I only have a CCNP, but I have been involved in
lots
> of application troubleshooting projects. I can tell you one thing, the
> knowledge you acquire at the TCP/IP level is amazing. With little extra
> research and study on the TCP protocols and sockets I have been able to
> explain and troubleshoot applications that even the developers them selves
> have not realized. The reason is that there is very few application
> developers that go into network or socket level programming, so the
effects
> of latency, bandwidth, and load kills their application once they are
> deployed over the WAN.
>
>
>
> All said I think you should have both. In my case I'm going to concentrate
> on the CCIE, but I would also like to keep a good knowledge of some OS -
not
> to become an expert though.
>
>
>
> I saw in one of your emails that you also like a challenge -- well you can
> try in combination with the CCIE the "Telecommunication Engineer
> Certification" by www.narte.org that should give you plenty to study ;-)
>
>
>
> Good luck!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mic shoeps"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 5:01 PM
> Subject: RE: CCIE Vs. Linux engineer (not Ph.d) [7:66669]
>
>
> > Always glad to see genuin professionals in the same boat. You folks
truely
> > raise the standard in the networking industry.




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