It is the economy to be blamed rather than thing else.
Raymond Thomas wrote:
> You are absolutely right, but I never placed anyone out on contract =) I
> know, I know, that's besides the point, but here is my point: You can't look
> at these guys bad personally. If you needed to survive and support your
> family, and there was no work in your country, wouldn't you go elsewhere for
> work? I doubt very much that these professionals come to the US just for the
> sole intentions of screwing you out of your jobs or to hinder your chances
> of getting another one.
>
> Blame the damn employers or companies that will use and abuse these guys and
> pay peanuts compared to what they would pay you. What messes you guys up is
> when they accept a lower base than what they are worth, but then again,
> beggars can't be choosy.
>
> Raymond Thomas
> Lewis Consultants International, Inc.
> 295 Northern Blvd Suite 302
> Great Neck, NY 11021
> (516)498-2300 ext. 103
> (516)498-1749 fax
> (917)444-1334 pager
> Web: http://lewisconsultants.com <http://lewisconsultants.com/>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Starry Eyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 7:55 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Personal Excellence Renders No Immunity To H1-B
>
> I'm sorry I have to wade into this.
>
> The Senator of my state, the Hon. Bob Graham (D), long may he govern us,
> sponsored a bill which died an ignomious death on the committee floor. It
> would have allowed for "Guest Workers" with a visa that would allow them to
> change employers without applying for a transfer of visa.
>
> Now, I'm a D@MN GOOD Network Engineer. I am close to the best in my market.
> I would like to get $60 hour contract for my services. The problem is
> that there are now over 125 H1-B network engineers IN MY MARKET. They are
> D@MN GOOD Network Engineers too. I've met them. I have a lot of respect
> for their abilities.
>
> Follow my reasoning closely, folks.
>
> To get $60 hour for my services, I most likely would have to go through an
> agency who would bill me out at, say $150 - $175 - don't deny it, Raymond.
> Now, these same agencies are offered fee-splitting deals by a well-known
> Indian agency at, say $35/hour - $45/hour. Heaven knows what the Indian
> engineers are taking home, but there are 4 bachelors in a one-bedroom apt.
> across the street from me. I also know of several married men whose
> families are back in India.
>
> Who are they gonna go with?
>
> I'm as good as they are, but I'm not willing to live like they live. If
> they weren't here, I could ask whatever I wanted for my services. The
> companies that could afford it would prosper. The others would have to go
> out of business. It is just simple Econ 101. When there is more of a
> commodity (and we ARE a commodity, at least until we get the CCIE and get
> published some), the price drops.
>
> If there's going to be globalization of markets, maybe we need globalization
> of worker solidarity.
>
> >From: "Raymond Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Raymond Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Cisco Bug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
> >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:49:27 +0100
> >
> >Well said. Thank you very much for your input. Hope it opens up the hearts
> >of the close minded ones =)
> >
> >Raymond Thomas
> >Lewis Consultants International, Inc.
> >295 Northern Blvd Suite 302
> >Great Neck, NY 11021
> >(516)498-2300 ext. 103
> >(516)498-1749 fax
> >(917)444-1334 pager
> >Web: http://lewisconsultants.com <http://lewisconsultants.com/>
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> >Cisco Bug
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:32 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
> >
> >
> >Hello Engineers,
> >
> > I would like to address a few issues regarding H1B
> >visas as this became the hot topic for some frustrated
> >people who could not qualify to get a job opening.
> >
> > I am amazed how people like here in this big educated
> >list talk about such things, especially in the golden
> >age of IT, where there is no boundary of country,
> >caste, religion, race, color etc etc. We are talking
> >big internet, and transit points, and gateways and
> >routers, and global connectivity and reachability and
> >balancing and faster access.
> >
> >These are true hypocrites who take advantage of the
> >technology but when it comes to personal things they
> >discriminate between x & y.
> >
> >To end this talk, I would add an example.
> >
> >If you are given a option to buy a foreign product
> >much more sophisticated, cheaper, durable, and having
> >lot of advantages V/s selecting any local made brand
> >of the same product which may or may not have the same
> >features but it will be costlier, which one would you
> >people personally go for.
> >
> >If you say local product, I will be sorry my friends
> >we are using the best type of US products all over the
> >world because of blah blah reasons and if everybody
> >thinks your way, then ??? you get what I mean,
> >
> >and I am sure in US also many different products from
> >different countries are given preference over local
> >products.
> >
> >Thinks yourself as a product and the employer as the
> >customer you will get a answer.
> >
> >Everybody loves his country, and is proud of it, but
> >when it comes to being a customer whatever is best for
> >you, people go for it.
> >
> >Think broader, Do broad, increase the bandwidth of
> >your heart, and reduce the delay of your mind get to
> >pure business, where there is no difference between a
> >citizen or a expat, quality job is the requirement
> >cisco is the certification.
> >
> >i apologize everybody if I said something wrong.
> >
> >I just want to say think broad, be global and stop
> >criticising others Be a polished product local/Foreign
> >people will go for you all over the world.
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
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