Hi all,
I 've been watching this discussons from a passive point. Yeah I agree with
Starry but you all have to be paying on a level ground. At least relatively.
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Subject: Personal Excellence Renders No Immunity To H1-B
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:55:15 EDT
I'm sorry I have to wade into this.
The Senator of my state, the Hon. Bob Graham (D), long may he govern us,
sponsored a bill which died an ignomious death on the committee floor. It
would have allowed for "Guest Workers" with a visa that would allow them to
change employers without applying for a transfer of visa.
Now, I'm a D@MN GOOD Network Engineer. I am close to the best in my market.
I would like to get $60 hour contract for my services. The problem is
that there are now over 125 H1-B network engineers IN MY MARKET. They are
D@MN GOOD Network Engineers too. I've met them. I have a lot of respect
for their abilities.
Follow my reasoning closely, folks.
To get $60 hour for my services, I most likely would have to go through an
agency who would bill me out at, say $150 - $175 - don't deny it, Raymond.
Now, these same agencies are offered fee-splitting deals by a well-known
Indian agency at, say $35/hour - $45/hour. Heaven knows what the Indian
engineers are taking home, but there are 4 bachelors in a one-bedroom apt.
across the street from me. I also know of several married men whose
families are back in India.
Who are they gonna go with?
I'm as good as they are, but I'm not willing to live like they live. If
they weren't here, I could ask whatever I wanted for my services. The
companies that could afford it would prosper. The others would have to go
out of business. It is just simple Econ 101. When there is more of a
commodity (and we ARE a commodity, at least until we get the CCIE and get
published some), the price drops.
If there's going to be globalization of markets, maybe we need globalization
of worker solidarity.
>From: "Raymond Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: RE: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
>Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:49:27 +0100
>
>Well said. Thank you very much for your input. Hope it opens up the hearts
>of the close minded ones =)
>
>Raymond Thomas
>Lewis Consultants International, Inc.
>295 Northern Blvd Suite 302
>Great Neck, NY 11021
>(516)498-2300 ext. 103
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>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Cisco Bug
>Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:32 PM
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>Subject: The H1-B visa program is a fraud.
>
>
>Hello Engineers,
>
> I would like to address a few issues regarding H1B
>visas as this became the hot topic for some frustrated
>people who could not qualify to get a job opening.
>
> I am amazed how people like here in this big educated
>list talk about such things, especially in the golden
>age of IT, where there is no boundary of country,
>caste, religion, race, color etc etc. We are talking
>big internet, and transit points, and gateways and
>routers, and global connectivity and reachability and
>balancing and faster access.
>
>These are true hypocrites who take advantage of the
>technology but when it comes to personal things they
>discriminate between x & y.
>
>To end this talk, I would add an example.
>
>If you are given a option to buy a foreign product
>much more sophisticated, cheaper, durable, and having
>lot of advantages V/s selecting any local made brand
>of the same product which may or may not have the same
>features but it will be costlier, which one would you
>people personally go for.
>
>If you say local product, I will be sorry my friends
>we are using the best type of US products all over the
>world because of blah blah reasons and if everybody
>thinks your way, then ??? you get what I mean,
>
>and I am sure in US also many different products from
>different countries are given preference over local
>products.
>
>Thinks yourself as a product and the employer as the
>customer you will get a answer.
>
>Everybody loves his country, and is proud of it, but
>when it comes to being a customer whatever is best for
>you, people go for it.
>
>Think broader, Do broad, increase the bandwidth of
>your heart, and reduce the delay of your mind get to
>pure business, where there is no difference between a
>citizen or a expat, quality job is the requirement
>cisco is the certification.
>
>i apologize everybody if I said something wrong.
>
>I just want to say think broad, be global and stop
>criticising others Be a polished product local/Foreign
>people will go for you all over the world.
>
>Thanks.
>
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