/
I thought about mentioning that to him in my response, however if he sees the
coming trend he'll start losing sleep, not be able to eat, and start attacking
the messengers just as he did me.
But alas, the RH has his own problems.
\
Quoting "Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> If you're going to slam, clean up your English.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Manishkumar Patel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:00 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Choices??]--Stupid Thought..NOT CISCO TOPIC
>
>
> Only stupid/Narrow minded can think this who has DOUBT OF SERVIVAL.
> Good Luck DSilva, CRYPTO BYTE
> I pray to God to help you guys.
> Regards
> MK
> CCNA 2.0, MCSE, CNE, CNI
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > /
> > I agree and disagree with you Ken.
> > Yes its the choices people make, ie, high-tech careers vs driving a
> truck.
> > However its the big money corporations that want to keep salaries down
> that
>
> > lobby to bring in H-1Bs.
> >
> > HOWEVER hope is not gone.
> >
> > XEROX has said it will not and does not hire any H-1Bs. They believe
> that
>
> > American companies should be hiring, and training if necessary,
> Americans.
> >
> > Hopefully this will spread.
> > \
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Kenneth Lorenzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > I think it's your own career choices/skills that put you where you're
> at
> > > and
> > > not because some guy from some other country took your job.
> > >
> > > "Crypto Byte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > To whom it may concern [namely you]:
> > > >
> > > > I personally don't have anything against these people [who ever the
> hell
> > > > they are] other than the fact they are ruining my life and the lives
> of
> > > > others, destroying my family, undermining the premise and foundation
> of
> > > > our [and other] career field[s], effecting the economic base of our
> > > > country [USA]; and, in general, starting to piss me off.
> > > >
> > > > Assuming you are not a H1-B, how do we stem the tide?
> > > >
> > > > If you are a H1-B, because you are ruining my life and the lives of
> > > > others, destroying my family, undermining the premise and foundation
> of
> > > > our [and other] career field[s], effecting the economic base of our
> > > > country [USA], please give me one non parasitic reason I should not
> feel
> > > > this way!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ----
> > >
> > >
> > > Hiring Foreign Tech Workers: In granting visas, Congress bowed to
> high-tech
> > > moneyHiring Foreign Tech Workers: In granting visas, Congress bowed to
> > > high-tech money
> > > greenspun.com : LUSENET : Grassroots Information Coordination Center
> (GICC)
> > > : One Thread
> > >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ----
> > >
> > > Why do we keep electing these people? They obviously no longer
> represent
> > > the interests of the American voter.
> > > http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/2000/09/27/text/p10s1.html
> > >
> > > Hiring Foreign Tech Workers
> > >
> > > In granting visas, Congress bowed to high-tech money
> > >
> > > The booming American high-tech industry, eager to fill jobs with
> workers
> > > it apparently cannot seem to find within US borders, will have its
> wishes
> > > granted again on Capitol Hill this week.
> > >
> > > Congress is finishing up a bill that will grant H1-B visas to some
> > > 200,000
> > > high-tech workers from overseas for the next three years. That's in
> > > addition
> > > to the existing half-million such workers already in the country.
> President
> > > Clinton apparently has given his support to the measure.
> > >
> > > Such generosity to one industry - albeit one driving the economy - is
> > > thanks largely to its increasing political clout. The industry gives
> > > campaign contributions to Democrats and Republicans in roughly equal
> > > amounts. The total will exceed $22 million this year, more than double
> the
> > > $8.9 million of four years ago.
> > >
> > > Also, Congress seems to have given up on the idea that low-tech
> American
> > > workers can quickly be taught how to make computer chips, write
> software,
> > > and perform other high-tech tasks.
> > >
> > > There are problems here. First, the bill is typical of the piecemeal
> > > approach to the larger issue of controls on immigration, both legal and
> > > illegal.
> > >
> > > Second, the quick passage of an H1-B bill in a crowded congressional
> > > calendar is being done without providing resources to retrain American
> > > workers or to encourage and recruit students into science and
> engineering.
> > >
> > > Critics were ignored in their charge that high-tech firms are not
> lacking
> > > for résumés, but may only be short of younger workers willing to work
> for
> > > less money and longer hours.
> > >
> > > Any evidence to that effect was overridden by the assumption that the
> US
> > > companies need more foreign, low-wage workers to remain globally
> > > competitive. Congress also worried that many of the firms might just
> flee
> > > to
> > > low-wage countries.
> > >
> > > The industry claims it needs workers from India, China, and elsewhere
> who
> > > now earn up to 15 times less at similar high-tech jobs in their native
> > > countries. It also foresees a vacancy of 850,000 jobs in the years
> ahead.
> > >
> > >
> > > Issues outstanding
> > >
> > > Some politicians tried to further tangle up the HB-1 legislation by
> > > asking
> > > to bring up other immigration causes.
> > >
> > > A few Democrats wanted to appease Hispanics who claim there is a
> > > double-standard in granting visas to high-tech workers while denying
> them
> > > to
> > > illegal immigrants already in the US.
> > >
> > > Some on the GOP side, meanwhile, wanted to make sure H1-B foreign
> > > professionals didn't directly take jobs away from American workers or
> force
> > > a lowering of salaries.
> > >
> > > One big issue the bill neglects is how to provide additional
> government
> > > services to this massive wave of high-tech immigrants.
> > >
> > > Nor does it beef up government monitoring of these "temporary"
> workers
> -
> > > many of whom will likely find a way to stay illegally in the US after
> their
> > > visas expire.
> > >
> > > It's disappointing that the bill has no sensible safeguards to
> protect
> > > American workers, such as a requirement that the companies pay a
> minimum
> of
> > > $40,000 a year to the foreign workers.
> > >
> > > And it's disappointing, too, that the Clinton administration, which
> often
> > > claims to be on the side of the American worker, has not seen fit to
> put
> > > modest regulations into effect that went along with the first passage
> of
> > > H1-B visas six years ago. One necessary rule is that high-tech firms
> make
> a
> > > good-faith effort to advertise for US workers before they hire from
> abroad.
> > >
> > >
> > > A few recommendations
> > >
> > > A recent report on the H1-B issue by the General Accounting Office
> calls
> > > government efforts to date in question. The GAO says the H1-B program
> is
> > > open to abuse by companies for two reasons: (1) the Labor Department
> has
> > > limited legal authority to enforce the program and (2) weaknesses in
> > > enforcement by the Immigration and Naturalization Service.
> > >
> > > The report goes on to offer worthy recommendations. They include:
> > >
> > > ˇ That many companies in California's Silicon Valley be encouraged to
> > > move
> > > elsewhere in order to find more and less expensive workers. (Salaries
> in
> > > that high-tech corridor need to be three times the national average to
> keep
> > > up with housing prices.)
> > >
> > > ˇ An income-tax credit that encourages employment in high-tech
> fields.
> > >
> > > As the world continues its march toward a global economy, a freer
> > > exchange
> > > of workers among countries is required.
> > >
> > > But let's hope the H1-B visa issue can be framed in a large scope of
> > > other
> > > immigration issues and a proper reeducation of American workers.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- K ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), September 28, 2000
> >
> >
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