Priscilla, you forgot a couple of skills required.

- the ability to provide a complete design, with detailed costings, from a
one-line requirements specification that is so high-level it needs oxygen tanks.
- the ability to do this within an hour.
- the ability to justify your answer six months later with a straight face.
- the ability to separate out the actual business requirements from the
technical buzzwords that the requirements writer added into the spec because
they thought they sounded good.
- the ability to re-add the technical buzzwords into the design presented to the
business owners so they think it looks good.
- the ability to politely explain to management why what they just said is utter
rot, without offending them.
- the ability to recognise the difference between your own life and a Dilbert
cartoon (this is one of the harder skills to master).

JMcL
who is now taking a few days off network designing to cheer athletes in Sydney
instead...
Aussie Aussie Aussie Oy Oy Oy!  :-)

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Priscilla Oppenheimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 25/10/2000 11:42:29 am

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Subject:  Re: Network Designer



At 01:55 AM 10/25/00, Mohammed Hakim wrote:
>Hi group,
>
>I have some questions .. or you can say many :)
>
>Q1) In order to be a good Network designer what Skills should you need
>..plus the "CCDA or CCIE Design" ? what are the responsibility he have?

A designer should be logical, analytical, and able to spend lots of quiet
time thinking before implementing. (Some people aren't good at this! &;-)
He or she should be aware of the technical details of many different
solutions and be able to select the right solutions after figuring out what
problems need solving.

Skills include analyzing business and technical requirements,
characterizing the performance of the existing network using network
management and protocol analysis tools, figuring out typical traffic flows
and loads (not easy on most networks!), developing a topological view of an
internetwork, designing addressing solutions that conserve addresses and
support summarization, selecting products for implementation, designing
wiring schemes, testing the implementation, etc. (See the Table of Contents
of my book for my opinion of what a designer should be able to do. &;-)

>
>Q2) What are the type of job or you can say job names for a "CCDA or CCDP"
>other than Network designer ..!!

Network architect and network engineer are often other names for network
designer. These are often the most senior-level people at companies. In
some companies the network architects have formal PhD-level training in
computer science,  mathematics, queuing theory etc. This isn't always the
case, of course, but at large ISPs and many universities it's true.

Usually a network architect has had many years experience in operations and
is well aware of configuration commands that will make the designs work.

>
>Q3) For the CCIE Design tarck or exam, is true that you do not need to
>know  "CLI" commands (ex: BCSN, MCNS .. have many IOS commands ..etc"

It is not true. You need to know the commands for the lab part of the test.

>If Yes .. is it true that a person how Pass CCNA, CCDA take the CID than
>jump to the CCIE Design tarck and pass it (write and Lab) can he have the
>CCDP "waved" or both the CCNP and the CCDP ? .. for the CCIE R/S I have
>red he can wave the CCNP and take the CID in order to have CCDP !!.

To become a CCDP you have to take CCDA, CCNA, Routing exam, Switching exam,
Remote Access exam, and CID. To become CCIE you have to take a written test
and a 2-day excruciatingly difficult hands-on lab test.

The CCIE exams are managed by a different department at Cisco than the
Career Certifications. Despite some Cisco marketing material, there really
isn't a stair-step relationship between Cisco Career Certifications and the
CCIE program. Most people prefer to take the other exams first to get some
practice, but it's not required. If you're a hot shot, it makes sense to go
for the CCIE level first, since that's the most respected.

>
>Q4) Anyone who have a good drawing skills "have some good CAD skills
>ex:Autocad ver 9 to 2000 !! .." can this help him in his work or no need
>for it .. (as a Network Designer).

It could help. Most of the network design tools support drawing packages
that are pretty simple though. Figuring out what to put on the drawing is
the hard part!

>
>Q5) I am working on the CCDA right now, but I did not know why is the
>Deign track "CCDA, CID exam" is hard from the other support "CCNA, CCNP"
>.. !!  is it the Case study stuff !!
>As I can see no commands is need in the CCDA (DCN Cisco book) is it the
>same with the CCDP and CCIE Design track .. But in the Lab exams there are
>some names for routers .. any one take the CCIE Desing Lab.
>
>Q6) About the CCIE world wide any categories for there numbers "ex: How
>many CCIE WAN, CCIE Design ..etc" I say about 35% to 40% are CCIE R/S ..
>only a guess ..
>

I think most CCIEs are R/S. My guess is the number is more like 80 %. Only
a guess though.

So that's my opinion anyway! I think it would be great if more people took
the design tests and if more employers expected the design certifications.
The idea that surfaces every so often that these tests are easier or less
technical is based on false assumptions. Which is easier, to operate a car
or to design a car?

Priscilla



>* For the Cisco Design Certifications .. are these books are enough (Cisco
>Press) ..
>
>1) Top-Down Network Design  "Mrs. Priscilla Oppenheimer"
>2) Cisco Internetwork Design
>3) Cisco CCIE Fundamentals: Network Design & Case Studies, Second Edition
>4) Advanced IP Network Design
>5) Large-Scale IP Network Solutions (CCIE Professional Development)
>Thanks for the help,
>Mohammed Hakim CCNA R/S


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