I've been perusing the trial version of CiscoWorks 5.0 w/What's Up Gold. I'm finding that I might want to invest in a more robust Network Management System, and/or add-ons. I notice a couple of things at the Cisco site: The CiscoWorks2000 Campus Bundle. For Unix boxes, several parts: Campus Manager Traffic Director Resource Manager Essentials (what might be more than essentials?) CiscoView CiscoWorks2000 Management Server For NT boxes: LAN Management Solution Traffic Director Campus Manager Resource Manager Essentials Content Flow Monitor CiscoView Then there's a whole bunch of 'other stuff'; device fault manager, switch probes, QoS manager, internetwork performance monitor, routed WAN management, ad. nauseum. I'm big on test equipment, but must admit some antiquity, on my part, and but a notion of just-enough management for a largish campus/metropolitan area fiber network. So, some specifics, eh? Single-mode concentric rings connecting 22 sites. All within 10 miles, as the fiber runs. Three thousand nodes. No voice. Gig ether. Cisco equipment, mostly. Public-sector K-12, so, keep it realistic. Although, now that I think about it, no matter who wins The Election, K-12 education has been promised billion$$$. I'm waiting for the manna to start falling.... Thanks. Best, G. _________________________________ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]