fat fingering the keyboard strikes again...the first sentence should have
read "Unfortunately, I have been to a lot of places that could actually care
less how many certs you have....if you do not have a degree." maybe I should
consider typing classes before pursuing anymore certs...lol
Gragg
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JL
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Subject: RE: I passed CCNP. Some Wisdom
Unfortunately I have that a lot of places could actually care less how many
certs you have...if you do not have a degree. Personally, I look at them and
think they must be smoking crack, but it is still a reality in some
industries/parts of the USA.
Gragg
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Rishard Chapoteau
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Subject: Re: I passed CCNP. Some Wisdom
I will partially agree with you. I don't want to disclose the amount I make
online, but I work in NY, and I don't have a degree, but I have my MCSE, and
by the end of this week I should hopefully have my CCNP as well. Here its
very easy I think to get a decent job that will pay a good salary with or
without your degree if you can prove yourself. Experience really counts
more then anything here I think. I've only been refused one job because I
didn't have a degree at Chase, but other then that I've had no problems. I
think location is everything.
Rishard
""Denis A. Baldwin"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> This is a point that I would like to make emphasis on. Here in Michigan,
I
> know many people who have the standard respected certs (A+/MCSE/CCNA) and
> are averaging $55-65000 a year. Note that most of these people have these
> certs and 5 or so years of experience. In California, the same jobs tend
to
> net you $75-85000 a year, but you have to consider that the cost of living
> is incredibly high out there. Another point that needs to be made (and
the
> wall that I and a friend of mine have run into numberous times) is that
> employers (at least in Michigan) still need you to have a degree. I
walked
> into an interview with my A+, MCP, I-Net+, Network+ and 6 years of real
> world experience and go turned down because I was 16 credits from having
my
> degree. The interviewer was kind enough to let me know that I qualified
in
> every thing they ask for except the degree, saying that a minimum of a
> bachelors is needed. None the less, the person they did hire @ $61,000 a
> year had 6 months experience at an ISP and only his bachelors. This just
> goes to show that the piece of paper still needs something.
>
> Denis
>
>
> > You will not make 70 grand a year just for getting
> > your MCSE. You will not get 90 grand a year just for your CCNP. And I
> > doubt you will get $120 grand a year when you get your CCIE. Somewhere
> > around half of this is realistic for the MCSE or CCNP. The only possible
> > things that will get you close this amount of money is an added college
> > degree, many years of experience or living somewhere that the cost of
> > living is double compared to the rest of the country. Sorry if this
ruins
> > your dreams of getting rich quick, but is better someone told you before
> > you spend the time and money.
>
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