If you truly believe that you can be come a CCIE in 21 days you are sorely
mistaken, 3 weeks of reading books does not approach the level of commitment
required to successfully attain the CCIE certification. I suggest you
re-evaluate what is required to become a CCIE.
LAB
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Sam LI
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 3:54 AM
To: Donald B Johnson Jr; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ccie lab
Folks
I agree that no one is willing want to put ccie 102400 on their name card.
Let me tell you how do the management level look at ccie, at the very
begining when
cisco launch ccie, every one is very very crazy about ccie, engineers and
vendor,
as far as engineer concern, they can ask more, for sure. The companywise,
the more ccie
we get, the more discount we get. What happen nowaday, if you are ccie,
that's great,
if you are not, it is fine with us. We need someone who is able to perform
and work,
not BS. A lot of my friends on passing thier ccie, they don;t want to work
as engineer any more,
or even don;t want to work in the cisco enviroment, and they want more, $
and position.
"manager" is the entry level for them. Right before, i leave
my previous company, I have interview a lot of ccXXs. Most of them don't
desire the CCxx title.
This is not hard to understand this, hunderds and thousands of "21 days
became ccxx" books
study materials out there, as long as you can affort few weeks off and a
couple of thouand $ on
buying these books, you can be one of them.
It is a chellenge if you became one of the CCxx.
Sam
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From: "Donald B Johnson Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 2:28 AM
Subject: ccie lab
> I don't see a problem with the lab being so booked.
> So many people taking the exam and the number of ccie's being so low. Is a
> good thing. If someone qualifies and feels they are ready let them go. You
> should schedule your lab at the next available time and go take it. If you
> fail then tell me how long would you want to wait. Myself I will schedule
> the next available time and take it again until I pass. Most great battles
> have been won by attrition, since Moses to CCIE.
> Duck
>
>
>
> I certainly agree with all the points Chuck made. One thing that Cisco
could
> do is
> change the requirements to take the lab besides just passing the written
> exam. I am not
> saying by any account that the written is easy, but I know people that
have
> passed it by
> pure luck and really don't know a darn thing. I know a person right now
that
> has passed
> the written by getting the passing score on the dime, and he is taking the
> lab soon. I
> wish good luck to him, however he is walking in blindly with out EVER
> actually
> configured a router. He has no internetworking design or troubleshooting
> experience in
> the real world, however he is going to go and take the lab exam just to
"see
> what it is
> like"....
>
> I don't think Chuck's ideas are cruel and unusual. I think they really
need
> to make this
> tougher then it already is. Who wants to put "CCIE #102,000" after their
> name? If they
> just open more racks it may get to that point. I believe the written exam
> should be
> scratched with a new format with a higher passing score. Truly the money
> issue sometimes
> makes little difference. If someone has 30,000 grand to spend on
equipment,
> classes,
> books etc., a few more grand can't hurt. And if their company is paying
then
> who cares
> right? I know a company that has spent countless dollars actually flying
a
> guy to
> Canada, putting him up in a hotel...and paying for his lab....they did
this
> 5 times
> before he passed his lab. Those slots could have been used for someone
that
> actually
> knew what they were doing and had a chance to pass. It would be nice if
> they had a 4
> hour lab prequal after taking the written. Something that would not
require
> a proctor to
> pass. You would be given many different scenarios at Sylvan and require to
> configure
> them with a virtual IOS. The configs would be sent to an evaluator at
Cisco
> and then you
> would be contacted a week later concerning scheduling your real lab date.
> This could
> weed out some of the flunkies.
>
> If Cisco ruins the value of this exam, they are not going to have any
future
> revenue
> from it.
>
> Nate
>
> Chuck Larrieu wrote:
>
> > >> I was told Cisco was trying to reduce the problem, but not how they
> were
> > going to achieve their goal. (I wish them luck)<<
> >
> > some cruel and unusual thoughts come to mind.
> >
> > 1) Set some arbitrary standard such that people who fail day one by more
> > than so many points have a 90 day wait for retest, rather than 30 days.
Or
> > you have to at least made it into day 2 to be able to retest within 30
> days.
> > Some such thing
> >
> > 2) Limit the number of times one may attempt the lab in any 12 month
> period.
> >
> > 3) Increase the price charged for each lab attempt. E.g. 1K for first
> > attempt, 2K for 2nd, 5K for third
> >
> > I say this half jokingly, but half seriously. I talk to a lot of people
> who
> > take the lab, both those who have passed and those who have not.
> > The old rule of economics holds true - people act according to their
> > perceived best interest. If someone else is footing the bill, and there
is
> > no disincentive for failure, then people will act accordingly. They will
> > book themselves and make attempts even when they know they have no hope
of
> > passing. They will schedule attempt after attempt because there is no
> reason
> > not to, especially if someone else pays, and especially if there is no
> > penalty for failure.
> >
> > To be frank, I don't see any incentive for Cisco to do anything to
change
> > things on the demand side. They might add more racks, or more lab
> locations.
> > But do the numbers some time. Cisco is booking something like 25 - 30
> people
> > a week in San Jose alone. That's 25-30 K per week in revenue, or at
least
> > 1.3 million a year. So they pay a couple of lab proctors 150K each. The
> rest
> > is pure profit. ( yes, I know from an accounting standpoint there are
> > several other cost factors ) So the incentive from Cisco's standpoint is
> do
> > figure out ways to add revenue, rather than limit testing attempts.
> >
> > I look for Cisco to announce a bit more capacity, either in terms of
> adding
> > another location or adding more racks at existing locations. Or both.
> There
> > is a ton of money to be made in the certification game, and as the
entity
> > that controls the rules and the market, Cisco certainly enjoys the
lion's
> > share of that revenue.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf
Of
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 9:04 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Backlog for CCIE Lab (RTP at least)
> >
> > I am a little behind on my mail, so please forgive me if this has been
> > answered.
> >
> > I called to schedule my lab on Dec 21. The next date available was June
> > 11-12 at RTP. SIX MONTH BACKLOG...WOW!!!
> >
> > I did not ask about other test centers, but would imagine similar
> bookings.
> > I was told Cisco was trying to reduce the problem, but not how they were
> > going to achieve their goal. (I wish them luck)
> >
> > Jon Burns
> > CCNP, CCDP, Lab Candidate
> > Now, I just need to get a job! ;-)
> >
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