I do apologize to Rene as it would appear this rant is a direct result of
his/her post. And the topic of the Group is Lab study so he/she is right.
But there has to be some grey area right? I mean there are many off topic
posts that generate some very good discussions. Although this one is off
topic I think it has some real merit and should be watched closely.
I was asked if I would stop persuing the CCIE if there was to many. No, but
I would not persue it if it didn't mean much and it was terribly easy to
pass. What would be the point. I am already very good at what I do so why
persue it now? Because it is percieved as meaning you are on of the best.
You are top-notch and know what you are talking about. It is the Ph.D of
network certs.
Of course that does not always apply to every individual, but that is how
the CCIE is percieved.
If it wasn't seen that way why would anyone want it?
-----Original Message-----
From: mtieast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, February 15, 2001 1:57 PM
Subject: Fw: Number of new CCIE's (off topic)
>
>
>
>Sorry, I must rant.........
>
>The Dr./lawyer analogy does not fly. If you could pay 100 bucks and be an
>M.D. or $200.00 to pass the bar without any real merit your damn right
>Doctors and Lawyers would be
>up in arms about it., they would be discussing and fighting all the way.
Not
>to mention the patients and clients. I do agree however even in a situation
>such as this that if your good your good and people will see that and you
>will be paid and treated appropriatly.
>
>I also love it when one or 2 people decide what should or shouldn't be on a
>list
>they simply belong to with thousands of others who may be interested in
>discussing a topic related to Cisco Certification. A very valid concern in
>my mind.
>
> Instead of simply moving on you contribute to this supposed waste of
>bandwidth and time, and then on top of that to try and dictate what does or
>doesn't belong on the list.
>
>If this topic was not for you why not just pass it by or delete instead of
>participating in it only to tell all the others who have an interest that
it
>does or does not belong
>on a list that is not yours.
>
>You can tell by the subject what it is about..... move on.
>
>This is not specific to this thread, I have seen it many times. Sometimes
>things clearly are not on topic but it is still discussed without comment.
>This is very close to topic and although I agree that if your good your
good
>and you don't have to worry many people would like to discuss it.
Especially
>if Cisco really does open the flood gates.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Rene Mendoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Date: Thursday, February 15, 2001 1:04 PM
>>Subject: Re: Number of new CCIE's (off topic)
>>
>>
>>>Kenneth has read my mind exactly. This whole thread or future similar
>>types of
>>>threads do not belong here. We are wasting bandwidth and time replying
to
>>these
>>>postings. Let's just keep concentrating on our studies please!
>>>
>>>
>>>Kenneth Sacca wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jeez this topic is boring and so out of touch with
>>>> reality. I bet most of the complainers here are
>>>> former MCSE, CNE, ASE, A+ and all of those other
>>>> certification holders.
>>>>
>>>> Your career isn't based on a certification. You
>>>> will never have a little fraternity of 5000 CCIEs
>>>> worldwide, where no one else can join the club.
>>>> Do you think lawyers or doctors write about this
>>>> crap all the time when a new class of people pass
>>>> the bar and medical board exams? Do CPAs complain
>>>> that the passing rate was 60% for their exam? Do
>>>> CEOs complain about each class that graduates from
>>>> Harvard Business school?
>>>>
>>>> What you do on the job matters. If you are good,
>>>> then the money will come. If you suck, no matter
>>>> what your cert, you will be paid what you are worth.
>>>> Excel individually as a person, and stop worrying
>>>> about this crap.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > X-Originating-IP: [213.120.56.45]
>>>> > From: "Mark Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> > Subject: RE: Number of new CCIE's (off topic)
>>>> > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:07:40
>>>> > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2001 17:07:40.0605 (UTC)
>>>> FILETIME=[CDCA26D0:01C09771]
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > IF this is true, I'll be really p****d off with Cisco - all that hard
>>work,
>>>> > and now the cert is going down the toilet.
>>>> >
>>>> > Mark
>>>> > CCIE#6280
>>>> >
>>>> > >From: "Yurchenko, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> > >Reply-To: "Yurchenko, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> > >To: "'Jason T. Rohm'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "CCIELIST
>(E-mail)"
>>>> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> > >Subject: RE: Number of new CCIE's (off topic)
>>>> > >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:27:33 -0500
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Well, recently I have seen a post that all 5 individuals who
>attempted
>>the
>>>> > >test passed it successfully, and it looks like the rate at which the
>>new
>>>> > >CCIEs are being produced - close to 200 a month - would lead me to
>>believe
>>>> > >that we could possibly hit 10000 by the end of the year.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Michael Yurchenko
>>>> > >CCIE# 6695, CCDP, CCNP ATM Specialist, MCSE
>>>> > >Customer Support Engineer - 2
>>>> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> > >610-407-2154
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >-----Original Message-----
>>>> > >From: Jason T. Rohm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>> > >Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 11:16 AM
>>>> > >To: CCIELIST (E-mail)
>>>> > >Subject: Number of new CCIE's (off topic)
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >I just got my CCIE a few days ago and was disapointed at how easy
the
>>test
>>>> > >was (by comparision to my other attempts).
>>>> > >
>>>> > >The raw number of new CCIE in the last few weeks seems to confirm
>that
>>the
>>>> > >new tests are infact easier than the old ones.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >While I am quite happy to have passed, I am also quite concerned
that
>>the
>>>> > >number of CCIEs is going to double this year with the newly watered
>>down
>>>> > >tests and bigger labs.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Does anyone else have a comment on this?
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Thank you,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Jason T. Rohm
>>>> > > Sr. Network Engineer
>>>> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> > > (920) 983-0310
>>>> > > CCIE #6861
>>>> > >
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