Your journey is a very exciting one.  I am very respectful of your knowledge and 
understanding of the business.  you mentioned being effective based on how someone 
thinks.  i have discovered that the way a person thinks is vitally important.

personally, i am a problem solving thinker.  i always look for improvement is a 
system.  with that said, can you more clearly define your idea of how people think?  
can you teach someone to think from a problem solving perspective?  thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: what is the average age of people in this stuff?


Not quite sure how I fit into this model.  I'm 52, but I was about 18 
when I first touched a computer, and 19 or 20 when I first did 
something that was recognizable as network-related (terminal-based 
timesharing).

By 1970, I was doing early distributed computing (medical lab 
instrument computers to database computers), pre-SNA IBM networking 
from about '71, ARPANET and X.25 stuff in the early '70s, SNA when it 
came out in '74, etc. Guessing that I did UNIX-based IP routing 
starting in the early to mid 80's, and first touched a Cisco router 
running 9.0 in 1992(?).

So, in some respects I fall into the "old" category.  It's hardly, 
though, a problem of learning technology -- the more I know, the 
easier it is to incorporate new concepts.  Learning is as much, or 
more, fun than it was when I was younger, because I've learned to 
make it as much play as work, and how to do it efficiently.

In all fairness, with what I do in my various "day" and "night" jobs, 
it really isn't that important for me to memorize lots of the details 
of individual commands. People tend to want me to figure out product 
and solution designs, and/or how to learn, than to be hands-on.

Understanding how people learn is important.  My thinking about a 
personal CCIE has evolved over the years.  At this point, I very 
consciously do not want to get  a CCIE, because I can't be accused of 
violating an NDA that I never signed.  Also, having a CCIE wouldn't 
particularly affect my compensation or my job prospects.

To say that I can't teach someone what they need to know for a CCIE, 
however, would be to suggest that Don Shula, Joe Gibbs, etc., were 
ineffective NFL coaches because they weren't qualified to be starting 
football players while they were coaching.

It's also comforting to work with Vint Cerf or Scott Bradner, and 
know that they are older and still playing!

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