What he said.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:30 AM
> To: The.Rock; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply
>
>
> "certs don't prove anything" ??? I'm not sure that I can agree with
that
> statement. Certs IMHO represent an interest by the individual in the
subject
> matter, and a determined effort to undertake studies necessary to
become
> more knowledgeable.
>
> Certainly, obtaining a cert. does not make one a guru. But it usually
> (albeit not all the time) indicates a person who has shown some
willingness
> to learn. I view the knowledge I gained by studying for my certs as a
> foundation to be built upon over the coming years. Perhaps I have only
a
> passing or introductory knowledge of some subjects at this juncture --
but
I
> assume -- and I certainly hope that as every year passes, I will build
upon
> that foundation knowledge and at some point I will undergo a slow, but
> steady metamorphosis into a guru of sorts! But at this juncture with
my
> certs, I would certainly agree that I have just enough knowledge to be
> dangerous! <smile>
>
> I would compare the cert study to obtaining academic and professional
> degrees. Certainly upon graduation, grads are not experts in any
area,
but
> they possess the fundamentals upon which to build. A lawyer, for
example,
> may indeed represent any survivors of a plane crash is his/her back
yard
on
> the day he/she is admitted to the Bar, but law school graduation and
passing
> a Bar Examination DOES NOT indicate an expertise -- but it does
indicate
the
> individual has the foundational knowledge and the potential to become
an
> expert at some point in the future. I would submit that the same goes
for
> physicians, accountants, architects, etc.
>
> I think that the real problem is how these certs. have been marketed.
> Instead of promising IMMEDIATE big bucks, the certs, should be an
entry
> ticket into this career. Individuals who possess these certs should
be
> respected for the time, effort and interest they have shown in
studying
for
> and obtaining a cert. But whether they are PAPER CERTS is truly a
> mischaracterization. As I put forth above, every academic or
professional
> degree is indeed initially a paper cert -- but with potential. IT
folks
who
> obtain these certs by and large have the potential to succeed. Just
as
> there are bright, average and incompetent lawyers, doctors and others,
the
> same would hold true in our field. Some individuals in inately
intuitive,
> without certs, and others -- the majority -- will become the average
IT
> Joe/Jane who work day-to-day in this field. Certainly there will
always
be
> the small numbers who are totally incompetent. But it is not because
the
> certs are merely paper.
>
> That's my 2 cents.
>
> Greg Macaulay, CCNP, CCDP, MCSE
> Attorney/Law Professor (Retired)
> Lifetime member of AARP
> Oldest CCNP/CCDP in existence
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