You bring up several different issues here.
1) CCIE's put their pants on the same way you do
2) Cisco is a sales organization first and foremost. Those in the Cisco
sales force have one goal and one goal only - sell you something.
3) Oftentimes, CCIE's end up being more marketing folks than technical
folks. Spend all your time reading the marketing materials and going on
sales calls, chances are you will lose your technical skills, no matter what
your certification.
4) There are a couple of folks on this list who are not CCIE's but who
probably know more technically than most CCIE's.
5) It is not unlikely that a specialist can and will know more about the
specialty than a generalist.
Chuck
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I've an interesting, well, I don't know what to call it, so I'll just state
it.
I know two Cisco SE CCIE's that recently passed the lab (within the last
year). Both are knowledgeable, but nowhere near what I'd expect, and very
lacking in areas I know well (just stuff I deal with all the time). My
boss, who I'd place as at least twice as knowledgeable, has taken the lab
twice and failed both times (made it into day two the second time).
I guess what I'm getting at, but not trying to start a flame-fest, is that
I'm wondering if anyone else has experience with Cisco employee CCIE's? I
mean, if I was Cisco, I'd almost want to set the bar higher for my
employees, and not lower. Of course, if you have an inside track with other
CCIE's mentoring you, that can't hurt, but still, I'd expect it to stick.
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""Chuck Larrieu"" wrote in message
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> The issue number is now up to around 7200. It seems to change daily :->
>
> Some history.
>
> Neighborhood October 4, 1999 number 5177 was issued
>
> Neighborhood December 22, 1999 number 5444 was issued
>
> Neighborhood May 28, 2000 number 5917 was issued
>
> In other words, give or take a few, there are roughly 100 new CCIE's
awarded
> each month. This appears to have been constant at least since I've been
> tracking.
>
> Figure that many of these are experienced people with solid backgrounds,
and
> not just newbies taking bootcamp courses. There are a number of reasons
why
> so many people are in the pipeline, so to speak. That's another topic
> altogether.
>
> It still takes on the average three attempts to pass. It still takes an
> experienced person two years of prep time to make the grade.
>
> A good part of the backlog is due to too many unqualified people going
> through the process. ( yes I recently failed. But I won't be showing my
face
> around there again 'til December. There are others who try to get in as
> often as possible, ready or not. )
>
> Does this help put things into perspective?
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
Anna
> Janowska
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 4:53 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: CCIE Candidate versus CCIE [7:426]
>
> Hello Everyone
>
> Just wondering how many people are passing the lab
> test recently.
> This is current head count of CCIE's according to
> cisco 5595*.
> Does anyone in a group remembers how many were there
> last year.
> The wait for the lab extends is almost double of what
> it was last year which is clear indicator more people
> are trying. I am just curious if there is also clear
> indicator of candidates increase in number of CCIE's.
>
> Regards to all, Anna
>
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