And to broaden the point a little:
Well, first - a disclaimer: Yes, certain fields pay more than others
or Football Player's salary to a
Police officers> ... is it fair or right? ... not my call, although in
general I would say not really all that fair from a social aspect.
Having said that - in general, regardless of what field you are in - if you
have atleast a couple of the following you will do well:
Natural / intuitive ability
Determination, drive for excellence
Intelligence - as in book smarts, including continual
self-improvement
Mental Dexterity - fast thinking, fast adapting, etc.
Flexibility
Passion for what you do
Other may disagree on this next one, but I feel it is IMPERATIVE that you
truly enjoy your job ... both the tasks you are doing, the company you are
doing it for, etc. Of course, this is partly related to the previous one,
but also includes various employment factors ....
... and if you have all of the above, you will always be near / at the top
of your field, since not many people in any given field do have them all
.
Additionally, a piece of paper is not much of a guarantee of anything ...
don't get me wrong, it proves you have applied yourself but
I have almost literally no certifications and am still doing pretty well
for a "half-alcoholic 26 year old
college drop out".
my turn to apologize for rambling ... hope everyone has a great Friday /
weekend.
Thanks!
TJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris & Cindy Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 07:25
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CCIE - the real world - daily life of CCIE's. [7:4122]
AMEN!! =))
""scott mann"" wrote in message
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> I work with dozens of CCIE's in different departments on a day to day
basis.
> My company builds Router/Switch traffic/protocol generators/analyzers. Our
> equipment is in many buidlings on Cisco's San Jose campus. Being a support
> engineer affords me the opportunity to work hand in hand with these
> guys/gals(yes, quite a few are female) in developing tests for their
> particular group/project. With this said, I can tell you some real world
> truths;
> CCIEs come in every size, shape, and IQ level. Some are managers who
rarely
> involve themselves in test grunt work, while others are basking in the
glory
> of plain old hard work(with a matching 5 figure salary). I believe that
> being a CCIE gives someone a certain level of respect for their
> accomplishment, but that only takes you so far; after that you must prove
> yourself to be an intelligent, hard working person who is versitile,
> communicates well, and gets things done. Some of the CCIEs I work with
amaze
> me at their inability to solve/create solutions for what seem to be
> relatively minor issues. Am I putting them down - no way. Obviously the
have
> quite a bit of personal experience and knowledge going for them or else
they
> would not have the little circle emblem on their cube name-plate. But
> suffice it to say, that you don't have to be gifted to be a CCIE; hard
work
> can make up IQ points any day. You simply can't beat experience (5-10
years
> of working with routers/switches is worth a lot when sitting next to the
> protcor). But if you have a knack for this stuff, and a hell of a lot of
> determination, then there is no reason why you can't go from being a
network
> neophite to CCIE in a year or less. Becoming a CCIE is not like 8-12 years
> of school and internship; it's practically a crime how we can expect to be
> paid so much for so little in the way of real benefit to the world. Moving
> ones and zeros is cool, but don't cry about the state of affairs the
Future
> of Networking is in. This field will always pay the best people top dollar
> because these people provide value - their mind is in a continuing state
of
> evolution paralleling the advancment of technology. If you want to be a
CCIE
> just to make big money, great. But don't be disappointed at your salary
once
> you get there if you are not one of the best in your field. Work towards
> excellence everyday, learn every detail of the fundamentals, and value-add
> the latest technology to your skill set. Always provide more value than
your
> expense and you will never have to worry about $$$. 1 year ago I had no
job
> after having lost my business to some bad luck. I had no money and no
> skills, so I decided to go into the computer field. I taught myself MCSE
in
> about 3 months and got a job doing level 1 help desk. I then started my
> Cisco certs last november (CCNA) followed by CCNP & CCIE written and will
> pass the Lab within 3-4 months. I have less than a year in the field and I
> MAKE MORE THAN SOME CCIEs I work with. Does that mean that being a CCIE
> sucks? NO! But being good a what you do is more important. Be an expert at
> each new thing you learn, then the money will come along with self-respect
> and the respect of others.
>
> Sorry about the run-on sentence, but although I love this forum and the
> great people that take time out to help each other in here, I do get kinda
> irked when I see the cries of woe regarding certs or jobs..
>
> If you want top dollar, demand it. Let your mind command attention from
> companies and you will get what you deserve. It is as simple as this.
> Companies will only pay you as much as they can afford and still get value
> for their investment. If you are always providing top value, your stock
will
> soar. Certs don't mean jack in many real world hot seats. A quick mind and
> deep well of knowledge drive the best cars.
>
> Well, thats my soapbox...back to the books and routers...
>
> SAM
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