I would like to praise "DUng" for his accomplishment, however as with any
great accomplishment, at least with me, it hasn't been me getting there that
was worth the most, but the journey was worth more. I also have found that
after the newness of any great personal accomplishment wears off, it's no
longer an issue that I have made it, but rather how many people am I going
to help make it too. I beleive that anyone who applies themselves can be a
CCIE. And it's no small accomplishment, but who I respect even more are
those CCIE's who stand on the sidelines helping the rest of us make it too.
Thank you for sharing your expereince with us.
""Savvas Themistocleous"" wrote in message
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> Hear hear,
>
> Congratulations "Dung". Passing the Lab at leat means that you are at leat
> at a specific competence level because of its practical nature. So good
> on you.
>
> Kind Regards
> Savvas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Ole Drews Jensen
> Sent: 11 May 2001 03:29
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: CCIE #7354 - for Jeff McCoy [7:3998]
>
>
> Your attitude is bitter.
>
> I was programming machine code on a Commodore 64 before Bill Gates even
knew
> how to polish his windows, but that doesn't mean that I know everything
> about Commodore 64 nor Windows, and I actually find 'pissing contests'
> (excuse my language) like this rather inmature.
>
> You could show the decency to congratulate the new CCIE before asking for
> more information, instead of having the attitude "give me, tell me, show
me,
> I want to know, me me me, I I I".
>
> Passing a certification is always a step in the right direction, no matter
> if it's a Basic Word 97 test or a CCIE lab; It is all relative to the
person
> passing it.
>
> I am sure that Dung H. Le did not write this e-mail to show of, but simply
> to show how proud he is (I assume he's a he), and to HELP OTHER CANDIDATES
> with a little info on how to prepare themselves for this lab.
>
> If you don't find Cisco certification or equipment that important or
> necessary, I can't really figure out what you're doing on this list,
because
> you must be VERY BUSY at your work with all that knowledge you already
have.
>
> Ole
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Quibell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:55 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: CCIE #7354 - for Jeff McCoy [7:3998]
>
>
> Ha ha you guys are too funny, but failed to contribute anything of
> substance. Way to go newbies and wannabies. LOL!
>
> BTW, youngen Eric, I was troubleshooting Cabletrons b4 there was Cisco.
And
> the relationship? Guess where Cisco and IOS came from? CABLETRON. You
learn
> something new everyday don't ya newbie.
>
> Still waiting for DUNG to answer the really simple questions. Geez people,
> maybe he's got real good, satisfying answers and THEN I can
> congradulate....otherwise, congrats are not warranted merely for passing a
> Cisco test, albiet a very difficult one. There are more things in
> Internetworking than Cisco, including better/faster routers, switches,
> firewalls...etc. And Engineers don't need to troubleshoot IPX and token
ring
> crap anymore like they do in the CCIE lab...You Cisco weenies need to get
> off your high horses: CCIE is not INternetworking God. I'd like to see a
> CCIE troubleshoot a Cellworks atm/frame-relay cloud. Heh..
>
> Q
>
>
> "DUNG H. LE" wrote in message
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> > May 7-8, 2001 - RTP Lab facility
> >
> > This was attempt 2. I changed my study habits from attempt 1, and
> therefore
> > testing technique, for my attempt 2 (you perform like you
> > practice..right?). It paid off. The change was to monotonously ping
every
> > interface IP / IPX address from every router. I made a list of the
> addresses
> > and ran through all of them from every router. I believe this lack of
> > attention to detail is what did me in on attempt one.
> >
> > Time management was key. If I didn't know the config off the top of my
> > head, I skipped it. This allowed me to complete the entire day 1
portion
> 3
> > hours early. I had 4 areas that I needed to think about, so I saved
them
> > for last. I methodically approached each of the 4 areas, knocked out
each
> > requirement, and had 1 hour left to do the testing above. My strategy
was
> > that no matter what, I would take the last hour to test thoroughly, I
just
> > happened to get my 4 items done. Day 2 was the same way...although only
3
>
>
> > hours for the first part, I still had 45 minutes to test it all.
> >
> > Troubleshooting was by far the most nerve-racking experience. I had a
> > "trouble ticket" list and was told to find as many problems as I could
and
> > document/fix them (one liners). Unexpectedly I had to troubleshoot a
> > different network than the one I had spent a day and a half configuring.
> 3
> > hours was the time limit to learn a new topology, IP scheme, protocol
> > intent, and then fix as much as possible. I don't feel like I was ready
> for
> > this, and must have just kept calm enough to manage it.
> >
> > The waiting is a nerve killer. You wait before the lab starts about an
> hour
> > for everything and everyone to get ready. You wait all night long for
> > status on day 1's score. You wait after day 2 build out...1.5 hours for
> > me.... to find out if you made it to troubleshooting. Then you wait
while
> > they add up the points and spit a number out of the computer.... or not.
> > Howard ???? was the best!!! Comic relief goes a long way to ease my
> stress,
> > and he delivered. I was very comfortable in the RTP environment.
> >
> > Study material used / frequency:
> > Caslow 2nd edition - read it cover to cover once.
> > Ccbootcamp labs - practiced daily (almost and minus weekends) for 4
> > months.... 4-6 hours per day on a rack of equipment that was very
similar
> to
> > the real thing. I was very comfortable with what was required of me for
> day
> > 1 and 2 build out. In retrospect I would have practiced a bit more on
> > troubleshooting. I was not comfortable with this at all and could have
> used
> > some familiarity with strategy and tactic on this part.
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