hi,
i must agree with my learned friend,
on the written i took twice recently there were to many "simple
questions".....Wait......
what i mean by simple is they were not related directly to what life is like
for the CCIE i know ......i got to many what i call non -technical
questions..
here`s is a loose example.....just enough to not invalidate the nda
" why would you use a routing protocol".......no senarios....just that
line........this is NOT a question you should ask a CCIE candidate....it`s
not a question i would use to test a CCIE skills....maybe a CCNA or
A+....but not a CCIE...
BTW the answer is "Because if i didn`t i wouldn`t need a cisco router"...
Sure ask me more relevant non technical qustions like
" would you recommend IBGP for a customer who may in the future be his own
isp"...OK not a very good example...but
that i think is relevant
prehaps the thinking of letting people with NO cisco Quals take the CCIE is
where the test fails...and they should make say a CCNA a pre-req
who knows.....CISCO ARE YOUR WATCHING....
my tup-pence (2p on old money)
steve
>From: "g_study"
>Reply-To: "g_study"
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: CCIE written is outdated. [7:5756]
>Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 01:19:03 -0400
>
>Mr.Bad Attitude,
>
> I never said the lab was outdated. I have never used web based utilities
>to
>configure routers. All I said was the written test was outdated. They need
>to update it. I didn't say make it easier. I asked why they still test us
>on
>outdated technologies. I would rather spend my time studying BGP then how
>to
>read a RIF.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Louie Belt"
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:17 PM
>Subject: RE: CCIE written is outdated. [7:5756]
>
>
> > And a calculator can do math for you, but would you substitute your
> > knowledge of math for a dependancy on a calculator? If all you want to
>do
> > is follow the suggestions of a sniffer, then do so. If you want to
>learn
> > networking then invest the time to undertand what it is the sniffer is
> > telling you. I assume from your comments you would also prefer to use
>the
> > web based configuration utilities for switches and routers - that way
>you
> > don't have to know the syntax. I guess the CCIE lab is outdated as
>well.
> >
> > Louie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Brian
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:30 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: CCIE written is outdated. [7:5756]
> >
> >
> > exactly, I was just talking about this with a study partner, and the
> > obsession with bits in the header is really deep here, and the canonical
> > inversion stuff makes my brain hurt. I would think most packet sniffers
> > would do this for you.
> >
> > Brian "Sonic" Whalen
> > Success = Preparation + Opportunity
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 24 May 2001, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
> >
> > > At 04:59 PM 5/24/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >But do I really need to know how to read a RIF? How often do you read
>a
> > RIF?
> > >
> > > I don't think so. That's one of the silliest topics, in my opinion. If
>you
> > > had to read a RIF you would use a protocol analyzer that would decode
>it
> > > for you.
> > >
> > > >I know some day you could run into a situation where you really need
>to
> > know
> > > >how to read a RIF or know how to configure Apollo, Banyan VINES or
>XNS.
>I
> > > >guess I am just frustrated with the trivial parts of this test.
> > > >
> > > >Does anyone else out there feel this way about this test?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >. ----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz"
> > > >To:
> > > >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:49 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: CCIE written is outdated. [7:5756]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Just from a learning standpoint, I agree the lab and written
>should
> > > > > coincide. Perhaps a desktop/legacy specialization might be in
>order.
> > > > >
> > > > > But there's a finite amount that people can learn and demonstrate,
> > > > > and frankly, I'd rather see somewhat more depth in IP, and also
>MPLS,
> > > > > than having lots and lots of depth yet being somewhat superficial
>in
> > > > > the things you need to know about really big networks. Perhaps my
> > > > > design bias is showing.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do wonder about X.25. There's an old Army saying that you never
> > > > > need a pistol until you need one very, very much. I still believe
> > > > > X.25 can be an extremely useful niche protocol.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >I agree you should know how to do that stuff but I think the
>written
> > and
> > > >the
> > > > > >lab should coincide.
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Darren Crawford"
> > > > > >To:
> > > > > >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:04 PM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: CCIE written is outdated. [7:5756]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Because as a CCIE you should know how to do this stuff. ;^)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> D.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> At 01:04 PM 05/24/2001 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > > >> >The following have been removed from the lab. Why haven't the
> > been
> > > > > >removed
> > > > > >> >from the CCIE written?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >LAT, DECnet, Apollo, Banyan VINES, ISO CLNS, XNS, ATM LANE,
>and
> > > X.25.
> > > > > >> >Effective February 1, 2001, Appletalk will also be removed
>from
> > the
> > > >lab
> > > > > >exam
> > > > > > > >content.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > >> Darren S. Crawford
> > > > > >> Network Systems Consultant
> > > > > >> Lucent Technologies - Sacramento
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >> page via email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >> pager: 800-467-1467
> > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
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