Certainly not! Altho' the title is a bit catchy "Sylvan CCIE" I recall many years ago when there were advertisements for a law school in Chicgo (I think) on match book covers!! And one could self-study! Instead of picking that EASY route -- I subjected myself to 3 years of drudgery, hard-work and the Bar Exam (not to mention my later graduate law degrees). Just think I couldda' been a "match cover lawyer." Actually, my moaning and groaning was directed more at the wave of pessimism that is now sweeping over thie list becuase of these changes. Chuck L's message is simply a sample of what many of feeling. However, I really don't think all is lost -- yet! Hopefully, someone will think of a solution -- but in the meantime -- it is hard enough for all of us to sit down night after night and plow through these books and manuals -- and type obscure commands -- when we could be sitting in front of our large-screen TVs watching summer reruns and drinking iced tea (or whatever). Motivation, determination and discipline are what has kept me going -- and I assume many others are in the same frame of mind. Pessimism simply robs us of some of the strength and resolve that we need to keep on learning (or is it truckin'???)!!! Many of us get our strength and resolve from others on this list that are working as hard as we all are. We need to keep a positive attitude. OK -- that's my .02 and my final answer!!! Greg Macaulay Oldest CCNP/CCDP on Earth Lifetime Member of AARP Retired Attorney/Law Professor -----Original Message----- From: Brian Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 9:35 PM To: Greg Macaulay; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab Remote (was RE: Current Wait time on the lab) Greg, It won't matter if there isn't a waiting list if the CCIE certification has lost it's value. The one-day lab is the first step to start running the lab remote from testing centers like Sylvan. I don't think that you want to be known as a "Sylvan CCIE" do you? Brian Dennis, CCIE #2210 (R&S)(ISP/Dial) CCSI #98640 5G Networks, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is an excert from an e-mail I sent on the ccielab mailing list today: I think that we all know that someone could make an extremely hard one day lab that fails 99% of the candidates but that isn't the issue. There are a couple issues with remote labs and the shortening of the waiting list. One issue is that with the short waiting list people are going to be able to take the lab over and over again enabling the CCIE lab exams to become common knowledge just like the CCIE written is today. It'll be simpler for someone to just take the lab over and over again then it would to actually study. Cisco needs to put safeguards in that don't allow people take the test to often to solve this problem and I don't mean a weak solution like the 20 points on day one. I bet the average CCNP could get 20 points on day one. Having a long waiting list enables candidates to prepare and study for the lab and is part of the becoming a CCIE. Becoming a CCIE isn't something that you do overnight and should not be able to attempt every 30 days. Another issue is the problem with Sylvan testing centers that don't enforce Sylvan's policies and Sylvan centers that aren't on the up-and-up. This problem speaks for itself. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Greg Macaulay Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 6:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Current Wait time on the lab [7:12713] Chuck --- Do you really think the CCIE is finished?? I hope you are wrong! We've all invested so many hundreds of hours of blood, sweat, tears and Money to get to this point!! I read Cisco's explanation today -- and hopefully their new lab will simply economize on time -- not on expertise. Say a prayer! Greg Macaulay Oldest CCNP/CCDP on Earth Lifetime Member of AARP Retired Attorney/Law Professor -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chuck Larrieu Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 8:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Current Wait time on the lab [7:12713] I'm willing to part with my December 3 date for a nominal fee. Chuck betting that once the one day lab takes effect, the value of the CCIE will plummet ;-> -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of EA Louie Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Current Wait time on the lab [7:12713] ----- Original Message ----- From: John Neiberger To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:12 PM Subject: Re: Current Wait time on the lab [7:12713] > I just scheduled the lab today and the earliest date available was > 3/8/2002. But I took that spot. :-) not true, the earliest date was today ;-) then one on 8/7 and another on 8/17 (heheheheh) > > John > > >>> "Jaspreet Bhatia" 7/17/01 2:40:18 PM >>> > Guys, > Does anyone know what is the current wait time for the > R/S > lab in San Jose . > > Jaspreet _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=12747&t=12747 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
