Brian, >Cisco needs to put safeguards in that don't allow people take the > test to often to solve this problem and I don't mean a weak solution like > the 20 points on day one. I bet the average CCNP could get 20 points on day > one. Could you tell us why Cisco would not want to people take millions of labs to get a certificate? It does not matter to cisco either all CCIEs can get 200K/year or none of the CCIEs can even find a job based on CCIE certificates. From cisco's stand point, CCIE certification is a just business. I donot see how Microsoft got hurt by the reputation of MCSE. The only loosers are those who put money and time on their MCSE certification, I donot see why CCIE won't be the second MCSE, sooner or later, that day will come, seems to me it is just a matter of a year or two. KY Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=12748&t=12748 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]