Wow! That doesn't sound good at all...except I suppose the part about never
being unemployed!
Can you give me some examples of developments they pulled back on/never
delivered? (we can take this off line if you prefer, I'm not sure what
interest there is in this discussion by others).
I do agree the noise level is really pretty bad, but we are just getting
started on this project/upgrade so I haven't run into the other things yet.
We are starting to stage equiptment this week though....we used to be a
3com shop and Extreme seemed to have the most/best interconnectivity with
the old 3com gear, among other reasons.
Oh, and yeah, we are planning to use ESRP....
"hal9001"
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07:38
AM
Please
respond
to
"hal9001"
They have retracted and pulled back from many areas they were to develop
and
promised developments were not delivered. I worked for one of their
resellers, what we were promised one minute was not delivered the next.
Support fell like a stone as did staff their end, we could not give away
their kit and there was a flight to quality i.e. Cisco/Nortel. In addition
their power supplies were suspect and we were forever returning their S24's
and S48's, if it was not for that then it was their ASICS and Ports packing
up. Once one went others soon followed.
We had software problems with Black Diamond Blades and you had to be very
careful what blades and software you mixed which was never made to clear
until it all went wrong. Put two of those beasts in a room and it sounded
like a fully loaded B29 on takeoff. Quality control was not that good. If
you have got Extreme (unless you are a reseller) you will never be
unemployed, you will always be replacing them and having to tweak them.
Best of British mate............Oh by the way dI hope you are not using
ESRP.......you'll have lots of fun with that watching the kit go up and
down
and take other vendors/peoples kit out!
Karl
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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: CCIE market FLOOD !! was: Current Wait time on the lab
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> How do you figure Extreme is in trouble? Monday's WSJ had an article
about
> the tech stocks slump and Extreme, Foundry, as well as a few others were
> noted as part of the 15% that was generally considered to have "turned
the
> corner" and shown improvement.
>
> Just curious, I hadn't heard anything about them being in trouble, on top
> of that we just bought a boatload of their switches (which do seem so far
> to work very well by the way)...
>
> I need my car washed! :) Do you need any fries (chips) with that?
>
>
>
>
> "hal9001"
>
> cc:
> Sent by: Subject: Re: CCIE market
FLOOD
> !! was: Current Wait time on the
> nobody@groups lab
> [7:12867]
>
> tudy.com
>
>
>
> 07/18/2001
> 04:06
> PM
>
> Please
> respond
> to
>
> "hal9001"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Fine but the obvious one is Nortel, but look how many they have fired,
> Ericsson the same and I've had experience of their Tigress and
Congo/Danube
> etc range. Bad support for a poor product. Extreme are in trouble,
> Juniper
> and Foundry very small. 3Com basically out of it and I think must have
> seen
> it coming. I am of the opinion you really have to get a wide spread of
> experience and certifications.
>
>
>
> Anyone need the car washing?
>
> Karl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:33 PM
> Subject: Re: CCIE market FLOOD !! was: Current Wait time on the lab
> [7:12861]
>
>
> > Its my believe that by being a CISCO person, it does not
> > UN-qualify any one of us to work with other vendor
> > equipment. What we now need to do is learn the other
> > companies products so we have the edge on the situation.
> >
> > With some minor tweaks we should be able to support
> > other equipment.
> >
> > This applies to all pc environments. The basics are the
> > same, the rules - different order.
> > > The market conditions are really depressing right now but that does
not
> > mean
> > > that people
> > > give up their dreams and stop working towards them . If you look at
> all
> > the
> > > certifications like CNE and MCSE they all had their better days and
> anyone
> > > who had them
> > > was king but not anymore .That is the certification market for you .
> Every
> > > certification has a life and it is upto the Company to give its
> > > certification a longer
> > > life by making it more and more difficult and I guess Cisco has done
a
> > > commendable job
> > > on that for the past 8 years but I think what cisco needs right now
is
> more
> > > people using
> > > thier products out their in the market so that they don't get crushed
> by
> > the
> > > competition
> > > . So with that said , teh CCIE might still be able to get you in a
lot
> of
> > > positions and
> > > then its upto you . Just my 2 cents
> > >
> > > Jaspreet
> > >
> > > Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
> > >
> > > > At 10:31 PM 7/17/01, KY wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Here is what I came across from Mentortech's web site on the
> > experience
> > > of
> > > > >a receiptionist they are looking for:
> > > > >"Education & Experience:
> > > > >At least one year previous experience as a receptionist, with
> multi-line
> > > > >phone system."
> > > > >
> > > > >What kind of phone system needs someone to get to level of being
> able
> to
> > > use
> > > > >it a year later?
> > > >
> > > > It's VoIP. Just kidding. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > >A 12 year old can learn how to use any phone system in the world
in
> less
> > > > >than 20mins.
> > > > >
> > > > >I guess in mentortech, they are looking for the Queen of
experience.
> > > >
> > > > Or King. In the U.S. it is illegal to specify the sex of the job
> > candidate
> > > > you are seeking.
> > > >
> > > > >I know the reality is every employer is looking for experienced
> people,
> > > but
> > > > >it does not mean it is not rediculous, at least in my eyes. The
> first
> > one
> > > > >implented MPLS on their proudction network had to use
> "inexperienced"
> > > > >engineers doing it, I am pretty sure about that.
> > > > >
> > > > >Just my .02.
> > > > >
> > > > >KY
> > > > ________________________
> > > >
> > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer
> > > > http://www.priscilla.com
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