My definition of Software Engineer is someone with an engineering degree and
also does software engineering. A Developer/Coder just write code base on
the engineering requirements and doesn't require a degree.
my two cents,
mark,
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: To CCIE's without a job [7:12805]
>That's a scary thought: CCIEs who develop protocols. ;-]
I know very few respected protocol or platform designers that ever
mentioned having a CCIE. On the other hand, it only occasionally
comes up that one has a PhD, which isn't always in a relevant
discipline. I'm amused by the degree requirement--I could see an
argument for a master's or doctorate, but the undergraduate computer
science program gets into relatively little you need to know to
design and implement protocols, other than as a coder.
Personally, I'm a much better developer than I am a support person.
There's overlap between the skills of product/protocol design and
large network design, but much less with troubleshooting.
Even quality testing is a somewhat different skill set than
troubleshooting. For example, has anyone seen a Cisco exam that
explored the differences among conformance, interoperability, and
performance testing? The difference between a correct but boundary
condition event, a syntactically incorrect event, and an inopportune
event?
>
>They are looking for software engineers. They aren't going to find many
>that have a CCIE? It's a different skill set and requires a different type
>of personality.
>
>Priscilla
>
>At 09:41 AM 7/18/01, Ole Drews Jensen wrote:
>>Forgive me for sending this here, I know there's a place for job
>>discussions, but I noticed that there have been several e-mails about how
>>CCIE's now have a harder time getting jobs.
>>
>>I received this e-mail (look at the message included after my signature)
on
>>another Cisco list I'm a member of:
>>
>>Hth,
>>
>>Ole
>>
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Ole Drews Jensen
>> Systems Network Manager
>> CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
>> RWR Enterprises, Inc.
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> http://www.OleDrews.com/CCNP
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> NEED A JOB ???
>> http://www.oledrews.com/job
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>Message: 1
>>Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:11:26 -0000
>>From: "JDO" >
>>Subject: Looking for a Special Kind of CCIE
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>My name is Johnna Smith and I work for a placement firm in Dallas,
>>Texas. I am in desperate need of a CCIE that DEVELOPS routing
>>protocols. I need them to have BGP, DSPF, IS-IS, and MPLS. The must
>>be a software engineer and they must be degreed.
>>
>>If any of you could help me, please give me a call or shoot me an
>>email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at
>>972-991-7569.
>>
>>Just to take a look at someof our other positions please go to
>>
>>
>>We also work with another agency that focuese more on IT, you can
>>find their site at
>>
>>Thanks
>>
> >Johnna
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