I forgot to mention one other type of Cisco Press book: Cisco documenation. Cisco gives Cisco Press the documentation to publish in book format because some people prefer book format. As you say, it's exactly the same as what's on CCO. That's probably the case with the dial book you mentioned. That's a different situation then what I was talking about, which was unique (new) books published by Cisco Press. Cisco employees use sentences and sometimes whole paragraphs from them, which I think is unfortunate, but I can't do anything about, because I think they have the right to it. That's also different from the situation where Cisco publishes a chapter from a Cisco Press book. That's just to help Cisco Press with advertising. That's probably the situation with Thomas's OSPF book. It's just one chapter on CCO, right? When you buy a Cisco Press book, determine which kind it is first in case you already have access to the material: from CCO or a Cisco class that you took. Priscilla At 12:10 PM 7/23/01, Wilson, Bradley wrote: >Hi Priscilla - > > You mention that Cisco has the rights to the materials you write for >Cisco Press...does that explain why, very often, I can find entire chapters >of C.P. books repeated verbatim on CCO? I can't see how or why Cisco Press >would tolerate that. For example, I decided not to buy the hard copy of >Dial 12.0 - instead I just copied down the first sentence out of each >chapter at the bookstore, and then came home and searched for them on CCO! >Found all the same documentation, all of it linked off the same index page. >I was amazed, but then I found that the same thing had been done with other >material - Thomas's OSPF book is one that springs to mind. So are you >saying that the Cisco Press material comes first, and CCO just >scans-and-copies it? > > Thanks, > > Bradley Wilson > > > > -----Original Message----- >From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 6:37 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Cisco Press Vs Sybex Which Way Forward ===> [7:13243] > >At 03:07 PM 7/22/01, hal9001 wrote: > >Howard > > > >In some of the advertising blurb I've seen they suggest that the same Cisco > >Press men/women/whatever have a hand in writing the questions in the pool. > >Cisco Press authors do not have access to the test questions/answers. Where >did you see this advertising blurb? Can you give us a URL? > >Cisco Press publishes many types of books. The ones that say "edited by" >are the course materials ported to book format. They are usually a very >good fit to the test. > >The study guides are original work, (often by CCSIs), to help you pass the >test. Some of these are very good also. > >Then there are other books that are not certification books at all. >Top-Down Network Design, for example, is not a certification book. For >historical reasons (people at Cisco turned my earlier work into DCN and >CCDA), it happens to be a good fit, which is nice, but not intentional. > >Cisco Press is not part of Cisco, by the way. But they are in bed together. >Cisco makes money (a piddling amount, I would guess), on the classes that >are ported to book format. For the other books, the piddling royalties go >to the author. Cisco has the right to use the materials we wrote (I wish I >hadn't signed that contract!:-) I have been shocked to discover whole >paragraphs that I wrote in the Cisco Networking Academy materials for >example, with no recognition. > >Regarding the actual question of Cisco Press versus Sybex: as others have >said, it's a matter of style. Cisco Press requires an academic, detailed >style. Humor is discouraged. Sybex is much more laid-back. If I were in a >hurry to learn something, I might go with Sybex. It's a lot less words to >wade through!? ;-) > >Priscilla > > > >Bradley J. Wilson >CCNP CCDP MCSE NNCSS CNX MCT CTT >EDS/Boston Scientific Account >(508) 650-8739 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] ________________________ Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=13397&t=13397 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
