Hi! Greg,
Sorry to read your mail. Being the Vietnamese, I am fully understanding what
you had experienced in prison. Jane is just a "BITCH" who just wanted to be
famous and got into the trap of Vietnamese communists who are the great
master of the art of manipalation. You are the one should voice the truth
about them. Like yourself, I don't know why they choose her to be great
woman. She should have laid in cemetery somewhere in VN since 1975.
Ironically, until now someone still believes what Vietnamese communist say.
That is why even Clinton visited VN. Please let the world know the truth and
prevent the ugly and the bad to control Vietnam.
Thanks Hoang
>From: "Greg Macaulay"
>Reply-To: "Greg Macaulay"
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: not cisco but interesting... [7:14547]
>Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:24:49 -0400
>
>Jennifer --
>
>Being a Nam Vet myself -- I have strong personal feelings about many an
>issue related to that War. I therefore express no opinion pro or con on
>what you have distributed to list members here. However, time marches on,
>and many of us have moved on from that situation.
>
>Moreover, this list IS NOT the place to be dealing with these issues.
>Bandwidth is precious -- as we all know from our studies! Also, while I
>cannot definitely speak for others -- I am sure that most of us are here to
>learn configurations, theory, troubleshooting etc. as it relates to our
>studies.
>
>So, for me at least, respectfully, please take your discussions of these
>non-cisco issues to a more relevant forum where they will get proper time
>and attention and a full airing of both sides of the argument.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Greg Macaulay
>Almost the Oldest CCNP/CCDP on Earth
>Lifetime Member of AARP
>Retired Attorney/Law Professor
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Jennifer Cribbs
>Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 3:49 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: not cisco but interesting... [7:14547]
>
>
>This is not cisco, but alot of things aren't. I received this from my
>brother-n-law. Any vietnam vets out there in cisco land?
>
>It is entitled: "Who is doing the honoring?"
>
>=================================
>Who is doing the honoring? Whether or not you believed in the war, this is
>the story of an American's reprehensible actions towards other Americans
>who
>were ordered to serve and did serve. McCain has "forgiven" her, more in the
>spirit of making peace with another human being. He would probably not
>support this award. Pass it on if you agree. Has THAT much time past? Have
>Americans forgotten? Read this (its signed at the bottom): REMEMBER, SHE
>WAS
>KNOWN TO US ALL AS - "HANOI JANE. Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the
>''100 Great Women of the Century.'' Unfortunately many have forgotten, and
>still countless others have never known, how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only
>idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during
>Vietnam. Part of my conviction comes from personal exposure to those who
>suffered her attentions. The first part of this is from a McDonnell Douglas
>F-4E Phantom pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In
>1978, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo
>Prison (the ''Hanoi Hilton.''). Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
>cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a
>visiting American ''Peace Activist'' the ''lenient and humane treatment''
>he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away. During
>the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp commandant's feet,
>which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from
>double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese
>Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1983-85, Col. Larry
>Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4Es). He spent 6 years in the ''Hilton'' --
>the first three of which he was ''missing in action.'' His wife lived on
>faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned / fed /
>clothed routine in preparation for a ''peace delegation'' visit. They,
>however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they
>still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on
>it,
>in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she
>walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging
>snippets like: ''Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?'' and ''Are you
>grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?'' Believing
>this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took
>them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera
>stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the
>officer in charge, and handed him the little pile of papers. Three men died
>from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four but he
>survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day. I
>was
>a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the
>North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5
>years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in
>Cambodia, and one year in a black box in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors
>deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a
>leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle
>near
>the Cambodian border. At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My
>normal weight 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's ''war criminals.'' When Jane
>Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if
>I
>would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to
>tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far
>different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and
>parroted
>by Jane Fonda, as ''humane and lenient.'' Because of this, I spent three
>days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large
>amount
>of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms
>dipped. I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours
>after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on
>TV. She did not answer me. This does not exemplify someone who should be
>honored as part of ''100 Years of Great Women.'' Lest we forget . . . ''100
>years of great women'' should never include a traitor whose hands are
>covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have
>strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant
>treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward this on to as many
>people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and
>she needs to know that we will never forget. Charles (Skip) Klingman, Asst.
>Professor of Music, Southwestern Oklahoma State University, Weatherford, OK
>73096, (580) 774-3219, FAX: (580) 774-3795. If having Jane Fonda named one
>of the woman of the century bothers you as much as it does me, then mail
>this to everyone on your Email list.
>
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