Jennifer --
Being a Nam Vet myself -- I have strong personal feelings about many an
issue related to that War. I therefore express no opinion pro or con on
what you have distributed to list members here. However, time marches on,
and many of us have moved on from that situation.
Moreover, this list IS NOT the place to be dealing with these issues.
Bandwidth is precious -- as we all know from our studies! Also, while I
cannot definitely speak for others -- I am sure that most of us are here to
learn configurations, theory, troubleshooting etc. as it relates to our
studies.
So, for me at least, respectfully, please take your discussions of these
non-cisco issues to a more relevant forum where they will get proper time
and attention and a full airing of both sides of the argument.
Thanks,
Greg Macaulay
Almost the Oldest CCNP/CCDP on Earth
Lifetime Member of AARP
Retired Attorney/Law Professor
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Jennifer Cribbs
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 3:49 PM
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Subject: not cisco but interesting... [7:14547]
This is not cisco, but alot of things aren't. I received this from my
brother-n-law. Any vietnam vets out there in cisco land?
It is entitled: "Who is doing the honoring?"
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Who is doing the honoring? Whether or not you believed in the war, this is
the story of an American's reprehensible actions towards other Americans who
were ordered to serve and did serve. McCain has "forgiven" her, more in the
spirit of making peace with another human being. He would probably not
support this award. Pass it on if you agree. Has THAT much time past? Have
Americans forgotten? Read this (its signed at the bottom): REMEMBER, SHE WAS
KNOWN TO US ALL AS - "HANOI JANE. Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the
''100 Great Women of the Century.'' Unfortunately many have forgotten, and
still countless others have never known, how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only
idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during
Vietnam. Part of my conviction comes from personal exposure to those who
suffered her attentions. The first part of this is from a McDonnell Douglas
F-4E Phantom pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In
1978, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo
Prison (the ''Hanoi Hilton.''). Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a
visiting American ''Peace Activist'' the ''lenient and humane treatment''
he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away. During
the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp commandant's feet,
which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from
double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese
Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1983-85, Col. Larry
Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4Es). He spent 6 years in the ''Hilton'' --
the first three of which he was ''missing in action.'' His wife lived on
faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned / fed /
clothed routine in preparation for a ''peace delegation'' visit. They,
however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they
still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it,
in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she
walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging
snippets like: ''Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?'' and ''Are you
grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?'' Believing
this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took
them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera
stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the
officer in charge, and handed him the little pile of papers. Three men died
from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four but he
survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day. I was
a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the
North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5
years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in
Cambodia, and one year in a black box in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors
deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a
leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near
the Cambodian border. At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My
normal weight 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's ''war criminals.'' When Jane
Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I
would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to
tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far
different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted
by Jane Fonda, as ''humane and lenient.'' Because of this, I spent three
days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount
of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms
dipped. I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours
after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on
TV. She did not answer me. This does not exemplify someone who should be
honored as part of ''100 Years of Great Women.'' Lest we forget . . . ''100
years of great women'' should never include a traitor whose hands are
covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have
strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant
treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward this on to as many
people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and
she needs to know that we will never forget. Charles (Skip) Klingman, Asst.
Professor of Music, Southwestern Oklahoma State University, Weatherford, OK
73096, (580) 774-3219, FAX: (580) 774-3795. If having Jane Fonda named one
of the woman of the century bothers you as much as it does me, then mail
this to everyone on your Email list.
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