Michael, I believe there are still stability issues with the Native IOS on the 6xxx boxes. Also, what would be so wrong about one OS for switches and another for routers? These two device types do operate pretty much completely differently, so why would one expect to be able to configure them with the same OS. The 29/35xx series runs "Switch IOS" which I find to be not nearly as feature rich as CatOS. Of, course, these are lower end platforms, but one does not even have the ability to configure multiple interfaces simultaneously. This is a pain in the butt if you have a lot of switches to integrate. I just feel that the CatOS is a cleaner interface, and was designed to configure switches, whereas IOS was designed with routing devices in mind( I say routing devices, because it runs devices like the 2948G L3 beautifully, even though it is not a true router). All that being said, much of this comes down to opinion, and what you are accustomed to. I have done far more work with CatOS and switches than I have with routers, so I guess my comfort level with CatOS is higher. I have also been frustrated by the limitations of switch IOS on the lower end series, so I guess my opinion is slightly biased :) Chris -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael L. Williams Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 5:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Don't think this is true ! Re: CCIE One-Day Lab layout [7:18337] Although there are some features that the Native IOS doesn't support that the CatOS does, they are few and far between, and Cisco is quickly integrating all CatOS functionality into Native IOS. I don't think moving away from CatOS is a major loss. Using the Native IOS gives a uniformity to the command line and the modes used to configure a piece of hardware, which IMHO is a BIG plus for everyone involved. I disagree that Hybrid (CatOS) is "far more intuitive, scalable and flexible". I say this because I'm much more familiar with IOS commands than CatOS Set commands, so whether or not it's more intuitive really depends on what you've used more. As far as scalable and flexible, keep in mind it's the same hardware with the same capabilites either way, so I can't say that using CatOS as opposed to Native IOS makes much of a difference. If anything, using the Native IOS gives the advantage of using Distributed CEF, which can't be done with Hybrid. IMHO, Native IOS is more flexible because now every port in the chassis can be used as a switchport or as a router interface. With the CatOS, you need to designate a port in a VLAN, then go to the MSFC and assign an IP to that VLAN, etc.... with Native, you simply configure that port as you would a router interface and it's treated as such. I have noticed that most people that order the 6500s don't get Native IOS on it, however CatOS is still the default and many people aren't aware that Native IOS is even an option. However, every single shop I've seen that is large is running Native because it conserves IPs, etc...... If you get a chance, throw the Native IOS on a switch before you send it out..... you can always convert back to CatOS. Just remember not to erase the boot image from the MSFC bootflash =) (If you have MSFC2, you don't need the boot image to use Native IOS. However, if you have MSFC1, you need a boot image for Native IOS. No matter which MSFC you have, you need a boot image for CatOS, so that's the one you don't wanna erase if you're just wanting to "try out" Native and then convert back later) Here's a link on how to get from CatOS (Hybrid) to Native...... http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/81.shtml Here's a link on how to convert from Native back to Hybrid...... http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/80.shtml Enjoy!!! Mike W. "Christopher Supino" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > That would be a shame if it were true, as CatOS, for the platform it runs, > is a far superior operating system IMHO. Far more intuitive, scaleable and > flexible. I'd hate to see it go. I've implemented quite a few of the > Cat6xxxs and I've never had a customer request Native IOS on the box, so I > unfortunately have not seen it first hand. Have to try that pre-deployment > on the next one. :) > > Chris Supino > CCNP, CCDP, MCSE, CNA5, ASE > Senior Network Design Engineer > TransNet Corporation > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Michael L. Williams > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 4:09 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Don't think this is true ! Re: CCIE One-Day Lab layout > [7:18246] > > > (without trying to piss off people that have spent money on a 5000) I sure > hope they move the lab to the 6500 series....... my 2 cents. > > The 6500 can have 2 modes..... a Hybrid IOS, where the switch side of things > is run by the Cat OS and the MSFC is run by the IOS. Under that setup, you > would use the SET commands to configure the switch and IOS commands to > configure the MSFC. The other mode is Native IOS, in which the switch and > RSM are "combined" into a single router-esque unit. In Native IOS, you use > IOS commands to configure the MSFC/switch, but there are little "CatOS-like" > extensions to the IOS command to let you configure ports as switchports > (instead of like router interfaces). > > I've heard many people say that Cisco is really pushing to get away from > CatOS, so it wouldn't surprise me to see them use a 6500 running Native IOS > in the lab..... just a guess tho. > > Mike W. > > "Ahmed Mamoor Amimi" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Is 6500 the router SET base as those of 5000 series or the IOS like 1900 > or > > routers.... > > > > I also agree that they will not put PIX in the exam ..... i think that > rack > > will contain PIX but we will not have > > to config it .... it will be for other CCIE track. > > > > -Mamoor > > "Brian H. Jones" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > I dont know about the PIX but the 6500s will replace the 5500s. That > you > > > can count on. > > > > > > > > > "jc0" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > I DO NOT think this is true though. Unless someone can verify this > with > > > > Cisco. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ""Brad Ellis"" wrote in message > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > Here's the info from the grapevine on the layout for the new ONE-DAY > > > CCIE > > > > > Lab: > > > > > > > > > > 1x Cisco PIX > > > > > 1x 2600 > > > > > 3x 25xx > > > > > 3x 3640 > > > > > 1x 4000 (Frame router) > > > > > 1x Cat 6509 > > > > > > > > > > This is the standard layout for all CCIE lab's except for WAN > > switching. > > > > > > > > > > Gotta wonder if people will start seeing some Pix stuff on the CCIE > > R&S > > > > > lab!!! > > > > > > > > > > -Brad Ellis > > > > > CCIE#5796 > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Network Learning Inc > > > > > Used Cisco: www.optsys.net Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=18341&t=18341 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
