Tony, that was cool!! Keep posting plz!! --- Lou wrote: > Tony, > That is the best E-Mail I have personally ever read. > I am printing it and > adding it to my CCIE study board. > > Lou > CCNP, CCDP, CATM > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Tony Medeiros > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 2:36 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE > (Warning !!! longish ) > [7:19098] > > > I have to agree with many, if not all the points > raised by everybody. > My humble take is that there are 4 types of > knowledge a great, capable of > hands on, design, etc. network engineer should have > in the perfect world. > CCIE or not. Bear in mind that I am talking about a > network engineer that > basically works with the equipment and maintains and > designs networks. > Other types of network engineers that design > hardware, software, and > protocols will come under a way different set of > rules I would think. > > 1. Basic network and protocol knowledge: > This should be how all layer 2, 3, 4 and many layer > 7 protocols work > including the management plane protocols, routing > protocols, STP, etc. Not > necessarily what all the frame/packet/segment > structures look like and where > and what each field in the PDU is and does. But > enough PDU structure to know > what the engineer is looking at and understand how > they work. Although this > is all excellent knowledge to have, I think it's > improbable (at least for > me) to know all the PDU structures in detail. The > main thing is to know the > behaviors (especially TCP) and how things can go > right or wrong. Some layer > 1 stuff is good to know too!! Like what does it mean > when I have slips on my > T1 interface or how a DS-3 works. Other things are > cabling issues, what box > does what, where do I use a certain box (bridge > vs.router, etc.), design > best practices, security issues and techniques. > Also host behavior and > configuration knowledge is invaluable. I'm sure I > left out a bunch of > stuff, but that is what I see as important(in my > limited experience) to know > > Most, if not all of number 1 can be learned by > reading books, RFC's white > papers, etc. Hands on experience will certainly > help. > > 2. Platform specific configuration: > It's great to know all the above stuff, but If I > can't make it happen on > whatever I am configuring be it Cisco, Foundry, > Extreme, or whatever. I am > of little use as a hands on engineer. It's nice to > know how EIGRP installs > a feasible successor, But if I can't get my routes > to propagate correctly > because I left out "no auto summary", that knowledge > doesn't serve me like > it should. OT. Why Cisco doesn't remove ALL > classfull behavior from that > damn protocol is beyond me!! Again, I believe it's > improbable to know how > to configure everything on even one vender or > platform. But, the engineer > should know when to punt and ask for help. Or know > how to access and find > the information he/she requires. And I don't just > mean calling TAC :) Even > though the wonderful people at TAC have gotten my > ass out of a ringer many > times. > > The Items in Number 2 comes from some book > knowledge. But hands on > experience is key. The experience of producing a > complex config and > fighting to make it work is the best teacher I know > of. Be it in a lab or > live network. I never forgot the first time I got a > DS-3 of ATM with about > 15 pvcs to work. Or even the first time I brought > up a simple frame link > and pinged across and watched my routing table to > grow !!! It was almost > better than sex !!(don't tell my wife please !!) I > know, I'm sick. :>/ > > 3. Experience, PERIOD !! > Many a time it has been when I fought to get > something to work and couldn't. > I checked the config against CCO, changed IOS's, > changed modules, changed > my underwear, etc. Ending calling up a more > knowledgeable peer to have her > tell me: "Oh, it's BLA, BA BLA". Type in the > undocumented "BLA BA BLA and > it will work." That is why having peers and is > essential to survival in > this business. Everybody of Group study is my peer > whom I glean information > and support. I am a firm believer in "no man/women > is an island' !! And > NOBODY knows everything. > > 4. The ability, motivation, and tenacity to solve > problems, learn, and do a > good job. (self explanatory) > > I believe no attribute in itself is the most > important, we need all of > them. > Sorry everybody for the long post. I'll refrain > from posting for a while. > Tony M. > #6172 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leigh Anne Chisholm" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:59 PM > Subject: RE: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE > [7:18843] > > > > Actually, it's likely the lawyer fresh out of > lawschool will do a better > job > > than the cratchety old lawyer that's had a few > years to become jaded by > the > > system or to get an over-inflated view of > themselves. The new kid on the > > block has something to prove so he'll go that > extra mile to do a superb > job. > > Did I mention I used to head up an IT division at > a major Canadian law > firm? > > (-: > > > > My point is... experience doesn't always matter. > Brilliance and the > > willingness to do a good job can compensate quite > well for experience. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > > Chuck Larrieu > > > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 10:48 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: One Journalist's Opinion of CCIE > [7:18843] > > > > > > > > > hey, Brad, aren't you the guy who was > complaining on the other list > about > > > what the one day lab would end up doing? ;-> > > > > > > may I point out that the CPA or the State Bar, > or the real estate > broker's > > > exam, for that matter, are very difficult, and > only a small percentage > of > > > takers pass first time through. So who do you > want doing your taxes - > the > > > guy fresh out of accounting school, or the guy > with a few years > > > experience? > > > How about if you find yourself in court for one > reason or > > > another? Want that > > > lawyer fresh out of law school who happened to > pass the bar first try > === message truncated === ===== Shahid Muhammad Shafi Network Engineer Level(3) Communications MCSE+I/MCSE(Win2K),CNA,CCNP,CCDP Please help feed hungry people worldwide http://www.hungersite.com/ A small thing each of us can do to help others less fortunate than ourselves __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! 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