Bravo!!! Very well said!!! :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Hundley
Sent: Mon 11/12/2001 8:38 PM
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Subject: RE: Internet Routing Architectures 1st or 2nd edition?
[7:26067]
He won't be as suprised as you. I believe it is you who doesn't
know the
law as well as you think, cough, cough.
Bottom line, your completely incorrect.
First, USC 17 is what we're talking about regarding Copyright
law. One can
find it at:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/
The sections that are relevant for this discussion are 106, 108
and 109.
First, section 106 spells out what exclusive rights are given to
the owners
of copyrighted works. Section 109 then goes on to say what
_limitations_
there are on those exclusive rights. I quote:
"(a) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106(3), the owner
of a
particular copy or phonorecord lawfully made under this title,
or any person
authorized by such owner, is entitled, without the authority of
the
copyright owner, to sell or otherwise dispose of the possession
of that copy
or phonorecord. "
In other words, when you buy a book, i.e a copyrighted work, you
can then
"sell or dispose of the possession of that copy". If I can find
someone
willing to buy a book I just bought for 10 times what I
purchased it for, I
can sell it to them. I can give it to someone ("dispose of
possession") or
just burn it if I wish. The only caveat that would apply is
that the book
must be purchased through an agency authorized by the publisher.
If I buy a
book from a bookstore which purchased it from the printer
authorized by the
publisher, the copy is "lawfully made under this title". (any
legitimate
bookstore would fit this definition) I can then sell/dispose of
that copy
however I want, I just can't make additional copies.
HINT: This is why it's called COPY RIGHT, as long as you don't
make
_additional_ copies you essentially have free use of your
_particular_ copy.
Common sense would tell you that this is true, if it were not
then all used
book stores would be violating copyright laws. Used book stores
and rare
book auctions are certainly common place enough and lucrative
enough that
publishers would be coming after them if they were in any way a
violation of
copyright. Obviously, they are not.
Finally, according to section 108, the only extra rights that
libraries are
given are in regard to _copying_ a copyrighted work. Obviously,
this has no
relevance whatsoever to giving away a book that has been
purchased. (yes,
lending a book to someone would be covered as "dispose of
possession")
In other words, it's just as Chuck said, the only danger of
copyright
violation would be if one were to photocopy a book and then
distribute it.
Perhaps you should consider an apology to Chuck and I would
advise you to do
your own research before instructing others.
-Kent
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of
KT Morgan
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 6:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Internet Routing Architectures 1st or 2nd edition?
[7:26050]
Well than prepare to be surprised there Chucky Boy.
You must not know much about the law.. cough.. cough..
among other things ;-)
Just take some time and search the internet for what
rights libraries are given that individuals aren't by
the publishers. Maybe then you can come back and
apologize to me.
Waiting for your apology,
KT
--- Chuck Larrieu wrote:
> I would be surprised to learn of anything in the
> copyright laws that
> prohibit my lending a book to someone else. I buy a
> book. My wife reads it
> too. She buys one, I read it. I buy a book and read
> it to my kids. So what?
> these acts are violations of the copyright laws?
>
> If I were to photocopy a book, and then give someone
> else that
> reproduction... well that's a different story.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> KT Morgan
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 4:48 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Internet Routing Architectures 1st or
> 2nd edition?
> [7:26033]
>
>
> EA,
>
> Are you a library? Did the publisher of the book
> give
> you the right to "lend" your copy out like they do
> libraries? I think not.
>
> KT
>
>
> --- EA Louie wrote:
> > eh? no... I borrowed it from a buddy, then
> decided
> > to buy the 2nd edition
> > instead of the first.
> >
> > Besides, libraries do the same thing - loan books
> > out. Are you trying to
> > create a problem that doesn't exist?
> >
> > -e-
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "KT Morgan"
> > To:
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 3:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: Internet Routing Architectures 1st or
> > 2nd edition? [7:26008]
> >
> >
> > > Well well well.... aren't we the little pirate.
> > You
> > > buy a book, read it, then lend it to someone
> else.
> > Do
> > > you think that the author of the book
> appreciates
> > you
> > > letting someone read YOUR copy? He didn't pay
> for
> > it
> > > did he? He should support the author and buy his
> > own
> > > copy.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ""EA Louie"" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Get the 2nd edition of IRA. I did :-) Bri
> has
> > the
> > > 1st ed if you ever need
> > > > to borrow it.
> > > >
> > > > Doyle Vol 1 is all IGP (RIP, IGRP, EIGRP,
> RIPv2,
> > > OSPF, ISIS, Redist, default
> > > > routing). It is, in my not-so-humble-opinion,
> > > indispensible and a 'must
> > > > have'.
> > > >
> > > > Doyle Vol 2 is EGP, BGP, Multicast, NAT. It,
> > after
> > > my reading, a 'nice to
> > > > have' as an all-in-one reference, but other
> > books
> > > cover some of the subjects
> > > > in a more complete manner. (for example, IRA
> > for
> > > BGP)
> > > >
> > > > -e-
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Eric Rivard"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 1:38 PM
> > > > Subject: Internet Routing Architectures 1st or
> > 2nd
> > > edition? [7:26000]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I've heard everyone say that Internet
> Routing
> > > Architectures vol 1 from
> > > > > Cisco Press is a must have book to learn
> BGP.
> > I am
> > > wondering if I should
> > > > > get vol 1 or vol 2. It seems like they are
> > almost
> > > the same, but I know
> > > > > Jeff Doyles book vol 1 and 2 cover different
> > > topics. Has anyone read
> > > > > both and what do you recommend?
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric Rivard
> > > > > Sr. System Engineer
> > > > > MCSE CCNA CCDA CCSA CCSE
> > > > > Data Net Solutions, Inc.
> > > > > 858-278-5404
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