DOWN WITH BOOT CAMPS!!!! :> -----Original Message----- From: William Gragido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: What's it worth... [7:27400]
Thats so true....there has been a real dis-service done to many of the certs and in truth, many of the training centers are responsible for this. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: What's it worth... [7:27400] I'll agree with that last statement. It used to be CCIE ment you knew your stuff and if all hell broke loose you could hang with the smoke. People are getting their CCIE in an attempt to get big bucks. I always here I need to get my CCIE and/or my MCSE to get into the computer feild. That's what happened to the CNE. People studied their little brains out, past the test but when the server crashed they had no experience to get it back up because as we all know there is a HUGE difference between the controlled lab and a real WAN. This made employers think why should I hire one of these guys if they can not even do what they are "certified" to do. The same thing happened to the MCSE which is one "supposed" reason MS has made it a hell of a lot harder to pass. My 2 cents, Steve -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Crane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 6:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: What's it worth... [7:27400] to be a certified Cisco engineer ? Answer these days appears to be 'not a lot' I have been with 3 clients today who are all trying to recruit CCNP or CCIE staff and they had asked for help in the interview process. The followign is just one example of an interview, but it goes for all 3 and more. All goes well until the first CCIE candidate asks about money and was told its 60K (UK Sterling) no frills no overtime, maybe a car, but you only work at one site. This to work in London, where CCIE used to command 100K+ So I did some checking with some friends who work as recruitment consultants and yes 60-70K is topline now for a CCIE, and 30K for CCNP with 5 years experience, its a lot less without experience IF you get a job. The reasons behind this a. Recession - so everyone will run for cover and take a permanent job. b. CCIE's are plentiful and therefore cheap and CCNP's are even worse off Now this is the view from the employer(s). I can print here what the Cisco account manager(s) said to me afterwards as we talked on the train home, but they and some of their associates are taking the message back, 'we have got it wrong' in trying to turen out CCIE's too quickly. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=27492&t=27400 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
