Steve Smith wrote: > > DOWN WITH BOOT CAMPS!!!! :> Ya especially Ft. Jackson SC in July when you never been south of southern Minnesota your whole life!!!
Don't tell my boss about the CCIE stuff ;) Dave > I'll agree with that last statement. It used to be CCIE ment you knew > your stuff and if all hell broke loose you could hang with the smoke. > People are getting their CCIE in an attempt to get big bucks. > > I always here I need to get my CCIE and/or my MCSE to get into the > computer feild. That's what happened to the CNE. People studied their > little brains out, past the test but when the server crashed they had no > experience to get it back up because as we all know there is a HUGE > difference between the controlled lab and a real WAN. This made > employers think why should I hire one of these guys if they can not > even do what they are "certified" to do. > > The same thing happened to the MCSE which is one "supposed" reason MS > has made it a hell of a lot harder to pass. > > My 2 cents, > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Crane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 6:15 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: What's it worth... [7:27400] > > to be a certified Cisco engineer ? > > Answer these days appears to be 'not a lot' > > I have been with 3 clients today who are all trying to recruit CCNP or > CCIE > staff and they had asked for help in the interview process. The > followign is > just one example of an interview, but it goes for all 3 and more. > > All goes well until the first CCIE candidate asks about money and was > told > its 60K (UK Sterling) no frills no overtime, maybe a car, but you only > work > at one site. This to work in London, where CCIE used to command 100K+ > > So I did some checking with some friends who work as recruitment > consultants > and yes 60-70K is topline now for a CCIE, and 30K for CCNP with 5 years > experience, its a lot less without experience IF you get a job. > > The reasons behind this > > a. Recession - so everyone will run for cover and take a permanent job. > b. CCIE's are plentiful and therefore cheap and CCNP's are even worse > off > > Now this is the view from the employer(s). > > I can print here what the Cisco account manager(s) said to me afterwards > as > we talked on the train home, but they and some of their associates are > taking the message back, 'we have got it wrong' in trying to turen out > CCIE's too quickly. -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 "Emotion should reflect reason not guide it" Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=27500&t=27400 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
