>Juniper needs to help people become familiar with their hardware and >software without having to pay 10-20K per router. The olive was the >only way I know of to help people who don't have corporate sponsorship >gain access to the Juniper CLI. Cisco has many low end routers which >you can run BGP, etc on to gain experience that are in the 500-1000 >dollar range. It would be in Junipers best interests to make it easier >for someone of meager means to gain access to either Juniper hardware or >another method like the olive or I predict that they will be shooting >themselves in the foot and never gain a good foothold in the market. >Kind of like the way Apple does with their proprietary and expensive >hardware and IBM did with the MCA bus and Token ring, etc. > >I'm not saying that Juniper should give their hardware or software away >but it would make sense for them to make it easier to gain access to the >CLI. > >L8r.
The situation is very different from Apple, etc., because Juniper is not aiming at a broad marketplace. I can quite easily imagine that they do not have an incentive for people to self-study on their equipment. They are quite successful in the focused market niche they have picked. Independent figures from about nine months ago projected Juniper would, pass Cisco in the carrier space sometime in 2002; I don't know if that is still true. It may very well be that they have made a decision that they don't want a certification that indicates someone knows their CLI, but doesn't have a broad routing background--which simply can't be gotten from hands-on alone. I have been investigating setting up a carrier-oriented lab for Cisco learning, and I have difficulty coming up with configurations that don't involve five or six student-controlled routers, plus at least six infrastructure BGP routers. If I include being able to cope with BGP errors, add a couple more UNIX boxes to that. Additional equipment is also necessary for properly emulating layer 2 exchange points. > > -----Original Message----- >From: Michael Damkot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:47 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Building an Olive [9:941] > >Sorry Carl, but on this one I am going to have to side with Joe, >Juniper >has requested that use of Olive's be terminated, and are no longer >offering >code nor support for them. Not because they don't want to help people >learn, but olives were used outside their intention, thus they were >terminated. Therefore, in my opinion, building and using and olive at >this >point is in fact theft. > > >Just me >Mike > >""Carl"" wrote in message >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> Gee Joe, why don't you just get of this list and let people learn. >> >> Joe Lin wrote: >> >> > Uhm.. >> > >> > Since JunOS code is copy-righted software. Asking for it blatantly >on >> > an open forum is bad... >> > >> > And I think whoever posts a location for the software would be in >> > serious trouble since there are juniper folks that monitors this >list.. >> > >> > -joe Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=30326&t=941 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
