I don't agree that the CID test is badly written, although I have not seen 
the new version. (Is it really bad and in what ways?)

I do agree that the CID test uses a different model from most of the other 
tests. (CCIE written is somewhat similar to CID). The test writer assumes 
that you know the basic technology answer. To get the right answer you have 
to think past the obvious, basic answer and think about the caveats, where 
and how to deploy the protocol or feature, the scalability, performance 
issues, etc. Answering correctly requires two-step thinking. People who 
remember that when they take the test get a better score and feel less 
frustrated.

I think the test isn't popular because Cisco needs companies to train and 
certify droves of technician drones. Only a few gurus get to design or 
redesign networks. ;-) The mass majority of people don't think 
conceptually. A lot of schools these days focus on "how to" rather than 
creative, analytical thinking. I hope that changes and that the comment 
doesn't start a flame!

Speaking of flames, however, I'm still burning from the idiotic comment 
someone made about one of our illustrious members not having operational 
experience. Whereas it wasn't true, it also missed the opportunity to see 
what a blessing it is to have a protocol designer amongst us. It would be 
as if James Watson dropped in on a discussion group for lab technicians. Or 
if Picasso dropped in on a discussion amongst Web-page graphics developers.

There's more to Cisco certification than getting a job that will let you 
wear a beeper and spend time fixing stuff. Hopefully, you'll also get to 
create stuff. CCDPs and CCIEs get to do analytical, innovative, strategic 
work in addition to operational, tactical, configuration work. And that's 
where the adventurous, fun aspects of this industry come into play!

Priscilla


At 12:06 PM 1/7/02, Robert Padjen wrote:
>I am also quite surprised at the reality and
>perception regarding this exam. Based on book sales,
>there is a lot of interest in design (not as much as
>CCNA unfortunately), but the corporate environment
>stressed the CCIE and only looked to the CCNP. I think
>this was due to two factors. First, testers didn't
>push the DP track (whether it was the DA or the DP - I
>would contend both) and business don't seem to stress
>the design component outside of the carrier space and
>more tech-driven Fortune 500. The second is the
>perception that the exam is hard, which is the focus
>of this board.
>
>I would argue, failures aside, that the test is hard
>because it is badly written and it focuses on a
>different model then the other exams/tracks. As such,
>preparation should do it, or at least get an applicant
>close. The poor quality of the exam (both versions) is
>a bit of a tweak for me, as it made writing a book on
>the exam more difficult - one had to focus on the test
>passing and the 'correct, non-Cisco answer'
>concurrently. The reality is that Cisco should again
>revise this exam and review the design tracks, in my
>opinion, although with the CCIE now a one day exam and
>other factors I doubt this will happen.
>
>
>--- "Steven A. Ridder"
>wrote:
> > It was the only test I ever failed.  If you ask me,
> > there's not much market
> > demand for CCDP's (which makes the test a low
> > priority), and for the amount
> > you have to study to pass the test, it's not worth
> > it.  It's good to learn
> > though, because it covers a lot of broad topics,
> > from SNA to ATM LANE,
> > AppleTalk, etc.
> >
> > Have fun at it.  Study the BPX and IGX.
> >
> >
> > ""Juan Blanco""  wrote in message
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > TEAM,
> > >
> > > Why the popularity of the CID test is very
> > low.......Tips on this test..I
> > > will take it next Saturday....
> > >
> > > Thanks
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>=====
>Robert Padjen
>
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