I meant 3c905b's are nice.  I think the 509's are old ISA cards.
""Steven A. Ridder""  wrote in message
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> Those DELL's with the 3com nic's have so many problems!  There's a thread
> over in comp.dcom.sys.cisco with someone else having problems with the
same
> PC's and NIC's.
>
> Usually the 3c509's are OK.  I remember the 3C509B's as being rock-solid.
> How fast are the PC's booting to beat portfast?  Or are the NIC's some
sort
> of boot on lan client, where the NIC get's taken over before the OS even
> loads.  Maybe someone can disable the wake on lan feature if those DELL's
> have it, because otherwise I can't imagine a NIC caring about network
> connectivity before the OS kernel wakes up and takes over the NIC anyways.
>
>
> ""John Neiberger""  wrote in message
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> > Well, sort of resolved.  This turned out to be a known issue with Dell
> > machines, specifically machines using a 3COM 3C905C NIC.  They expect
> > the network to be available almost immediately upon bootup and can't
> > handle the delay caused by spanning tree.  In some cases, even portfast
> > did not reduce the time sufficiently.
> >
> > So, watch out for those 3COM NICs!
> >
> > John




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