By that reasoning Cisco should put Appletalk, IPX, X.25, ATM LANE, and even Decnet back into their exams.
On a certification exam, I don't think it's helpful to have a number of questions on equipment that Cisco doesn't even sell anymore. I'm not saying there shouldn't be any, but if they're going to go through the trouble of creating a new exam, it might be helpful not to focus too much on older products and technologies. Maybe they should come up with a CCNA-Legacy certification that would include questions specific to the AGS routers and IOS 10.0. :-) Besides, my point wasn't based on just this issue. I base my opinion on having taken eight Cisco exams and seeing firsthand the quality of their questions. It's readily apparent that many of them contain a large number of poorly written questions and/or poorly written answers. But, that's just my opinion, and that's barely worth the paper it's printed on. :-) Regards, John ---- On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Tshon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I think that what your missing is that. Cisco is trying to one prepare > you for anything that > is out there, equipment that happens to be at end of life doesn't > gaurantee that you > won't see it out there. They are trying to make sure that you are > prepared to represent > their company. Secondly if you don't have any understanding about the > equipment > and you run into it, what's your suggestion.... just replace it, it > might work perfectly well, but we'll > replace it because you aren't familiar!!!! The test and the labs as > John knows are not > if he's taken the CCIE lab, are not hard they are over lots of > technology that has been around. > the same old situations exist with new ones. And you need to be > prepared for it all, in the > end you need to be prepared to use your resources and understand > quickly. A company > might be losing or wasting money because of you. So, why whine the test > > shows you > what you didn't know that is what a test does. Go back and bone up, > then you'll > pass. > > Tshon > > John Neiberger wrote: > > >If Cisco is asking questions about products that have been > >EOLed then they need to get some new test authors. :-) I just > >don't understand the difficulty in creating a decent test. > > > >Here's a suggestion for Cisco: > > > >Follow this list and the CCIE list for a week. Compile a list > >of the top 30 posters, with special considerations for the > >people who tend to answer most often. From that list, randomly > >pick ten, then pay them to write 30 test questions each. > > > >I promise you that the end result would be 300 questions that > >are higher quality than a majority of the questions Cisco has > >on their current exams. Repeat this process for each new exam > >needed. > > > >Now _that_ would be a killer beta test! > > > >Regards, > >John > > > >---- On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Robert Padjen > >([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > >>Greetings all - > >> > >>I have a discussion point that I am curious to get > >>feedback on from the group. I recently took another > >>Cisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at the > >>questions. > >> > >>For example, at least four questions regarded products > >>that no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them some > >>time ago. Other questions included choices that don't > >> > > > >>exist - at least I am unaware of a (sic) series router > >>for serial connections (it was a switch that does not > >>have a WIC slot). Still more questions had no > >>reasonable way to answer them without having > >>previously read or learned specific Cisco materials. > >> > >>My observation is that this is bad for us as > >>certification holders. And, since we pay for the tests > >>and represent to our employers that they represent a > >>certain level of professionalism, I think I have a > >>real issue. The issues are not complaints regarding > >>poor writing or syntax on the exam, although I am > >>concerned about this for non-native English speakers > >>taking the English exam. Rather, I am concerned that > >>the test is outdated even when its in beta. This is > >>not the first test (production or beta) that I have > >>noted this with. I still haven't seen tests on MPLS, > >>VPN, 4224 switches, IMA, etc., yet this would seem to > >>be relevant on the CCNP/DP exams. > >> > >>Please share your thoughts. > >> > >>BTW - If this is considered an OT item please > >>disregard. It is my hope to gain some understanding > >>and then address the issue with Cisco if there is > >>agreement that there is an issue. As the content of > >>the tests is of concern to all of us I hope that the > >>potential benefits are valued. > >> > >>===== > >>Robert Padjen > >> > >>__________________________________________________ > >>Do You Yahoo!? > >>Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > >>http://mail.yahoo.com/ > >> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that what your missing is that. Cisco is trying to one > prepare you > for anything that > is out there, equipment that happens to be at end of life doesn't > gaurantee > that you > won't see it out there. They are trying to make sure that you are > prepared > to represent > their company. Secondly if you don't have any understanding about > the equipment > > and you run into it, what's your suggestion.... just replace it, it > might > work perfectly well, but we'll > replace it because you aren't familiar!!!! The test and the labs > as John > knows are not > if he's taken the CCIE lab, are not hard they are over lots of > technology > that has been around. > the same old situations exist with new ones. And you need to be > prepared > for it all, in the > end you need to be prepared to use your resources and understand > quickly. > A company > might be losing or wasting money because of you. So, why whine the > test > shows you > what you didn't know that is what a test does. Go back and bone > up, then > you'll > pass. > > Tshon > > John Neiberger wrote: > > If Cisco is asking questions about products that have > been EOLed then they need to get some new test authors. :-) I just > don't understand the difficulty in creating a decent > test.Here's a suggestion for Cisco:Follow this list and > the CCIE list for a week. Compile a list of the top 30 posters, > with special considerations for the people who tend to answer most > often. From that list, randomly pick ten, then pay them to write 30 > test questions each.I promise you that the end result would be > 300 questions that are higher quality than a majority of the > questions Cisco has on their current exams. Repeat this process for > each new exam needed.Now _that_ would be a killer beta > test!Regards,John---- On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Robert > Padjen ( href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > Greetings all -I have a discussion point that I > am curious to getfeedback on from the group. I recently took > anotherCisco certification exam (beta) and was amazed at > thequestions.For example, at least four questions regarded > productsthat no longer exist - Cisco end-of-lifed them sometime > ago. Other questions included choices that don't > > > > exist - at least I am unaware of a (sic) series > routerfor serial connections (it was a switch that does nothave > a WIC slot). Still more questions had noreasonable way to answer > them without havingpreviously read or learned specific Cisco > materials.My observation is that this is bad for us > ascertification holders. And, since we pay for the testsand > represent to our employers that they represent acertain level of > professionalism, I think I have areal issue. The issues are not > complaints regardingpoor writing or syntax on the exam, although I > amconcerned about this for non-native English speakerstaking the > English exam. Rather, I am concerned thatthe test is outdated even > when its in beta. This isnot the first test (production or beta) > that I havenoted this with. I still haven't seen tests on > MPLS,VPN, 4224 switches, IMA, etc., yet this would seem tobe > relevant on the CCNP/DP exams. r>Please share your thoughts.BTW - If this is considered an OT > item pleasedisregard. It is my hope to gain some > understandingand then address the issue with Cisco if there > isagreement that there is an issue. As the content ofthe tests > is of concern to all of us I hope that thepotential benefits are > valued.=====Robert > Padjen__________________________________________________ Do > You Yahoo!?Try FREE Yahoo! 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