All,
I was just browsing around CCO and came across this link which has some
good coverage of CLNS/ISIS. This link most likely isn't a secret, but for
anyone wanting to get a better understanding of these protocols this seems
like a good addition.
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/97/index.shtml
Nigel
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From: "nrf"
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Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 3:40 AM
Subject: Re: CCIE in 3-6 Months from cisco Interesting [7:43306]
> ""Michael L. Williams"" wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > It's not in Cisco's best interest to crank out CCIEs and I doubt that's
> what
> > they're doing (or going to do).... After all, this is a job posting,
and
> I
> > doubt they're going to hire and train enough people to make an impact in
> the
> > total number of CCIEs out there. (i.e. they may hire 5, 10, hell maybe
> even
> > 50 people, say, and so you're only taking 5/10/50 more CCIEs on top of
the
> > 7400 existing CCIEs ... not enough to impact the overall market/demand
for
> > CCIEs, IMHO). I agree with another poster here that, even spending
> everyday
> > at "work" for Cisco studying isn't enough to get through the new CCIE
> > written, much less the lab.
>
> I agree with the premise that even TAC guys do not get as much hands-on as
> they would like, especially with expensive gear. From my friends who are
> and were at TAC, they have to fight for access to good equipment.
>
> >
> > As far as the devaluing of the CCIE, I've see ramblings of this ever
since
> I
> > joined Groupstudy, and I believe that it's mostly just alot of talk.
> Sure,
> > CCIEs aren't pulling in as high a salary as they were 2 years ago, but
> most
> > of that is due to the dot-bomb thing coming to an end as well as the job
> > market/economy of the last year or so. Two things can devalue the cert:
> > The number of CCIEs skyrocketing and/or people being able to attain the
> CCIE
> > without being qualified. I don't think anyone will argue that the CCIE
> > written/lab combo pretty much keeps "paper CCIEs" from becoming a
reality.
>
> Bullshi*. There are a significant number of guys lately who've passed the
> lab who I wouldn't hesitate to call "paper" (heck, even they have honestly
> referred to themselves as paper, usually after getting a few drinks into
> them).
>
> But I do agree with the premise that the main reason for the devaluing of
> the cert is the bad economy, and the lab-rats are a lesser consideration
> (still important, but lesser). But on the other hand, I think it is the
> case that the CCIE will probably never attain the status that it once did,
> simply because the we will probably never see another huge network
buildout
> orgy like the dotcom boom again in our lifetime. So while I believe the
> networking industry will get better, people who thinks it's going to get
> back to, say, 1999, are just deluding themselves.
>
> > As far as the number of CCIEs skyrocketing, if I recall correctly, when
I
> > first started working on Cisco certification there were around 6000
CCIEs.
> > Now there are around 7400 (worldwide). That's certainly not
> "skyrocketing".
> > Compare that to MSCEs where there was such a flood of new MSCEs on the
> > market that simply supply/demand took over, and all of a sudden MSCEs
were
> a
> > dime a dozen (no offense to people with MSCEs, just making a point about
> the
> > numbers).
> >
> > Also, I don't agree with the claim that the CCIEs best days are behind
it.
>
> I believe this is definitely true - look at the salaries of CCIE's back in
> '99 compared to today. Obviously the main reason for this is the bad
> economy. But the proliferation of CCIE's (especially lab rats) doesn't
help
> matters. Just ask Jon Kaberna who's written quite a bit on this subject.
> Again, the main reason is that I doubt the networking economy will ever
get
> back to what it was during the boom ever again in our lifetime.
>
> > Although many felt that the new one-day lab was going to open the
> floodgates
> > for "paper CCIEs", I don't recall reading any posts by people saying the
> new
> > lab was a breeze. Also, any of the level of difficulty that may have
been
> > lost going to the one-day format is definitely going to be made up for
by
> > the new format of the written. As has been posted here more recently
(by
> > either Bernard or Dennis right after they took the beta), the failure
rate
> > of the written is definitely going to go up with this new exam.
>
> If that is true, then it is a long-overdue change. The fact is the old
> written was not getting the job done. I think not only should the new
> written be more difficult, but you should also only be able to attempt it
a
> certain number of times per year (say, 3 times per year or something).
> Also, Cisco should emphatically state once-and-for-all that the
> CCIE-written is not a cert.
>
> >
> > Just my 2 cents....
> >
> > Mike W.
> >
> > "nwo" wrote in message
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > If this is true then it represents an even worse devaluation of the
CCIE
> > > than what has happened already. Not only will there be those lab-rat
> > CCIE's
> > > out there with zero experience that are being churned out already, but
> now
> > > Cisco itself will be pumping out CCIE's with as little as 3 months
> > > experience. This is even more evidence that the cert's best days are
> > > behind it.
> > >
> > > ""Johnzaggat"" wrote in message
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Join Cisco and get CCIE in 3-6 months. Must be a typo.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/jobs/JobAgent?rm=jobdetail&req_id=703608&keywo
> > > > rds=+
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