Cool, I didnt know the ISP Dial qualification exam applied to the C&S lab
exam.  I'll have to schedule the C&S lab exam then.  Anyone else taking it?

thanks,
-Brad Ellis
CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
Network Learning Inc
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www.optsys.net (Cisco hardware)

""nrf""  wrote in message
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> Allright. Sean Knox has pretty much nailed it on the head.  But let me try
> one more time.
>
> To become a R/S CCIE you must
> #1) pass the R/S written
> #2) pass the R/S lab
>
> To become a Security CCIE you must
> #1)pass the Security written
> #2) pass the Security lab
>
> To become a C/S CCIE you must
> #1)Pass one of 8 possible C/S writtens  - or - have passed either the old
> ISPDial or WAN-switching CCIE writtens back when they were still available
> (so if you have never done this, then unless you have a time machine, you
> cannot do it now)
> #2)Pass the C/S lab.
>
>
> Bottom line - the labs are absolutely NOT the same for all three, believe
> me.  I've tried all 3 labs, and they are significantly different.  There
are
> some base-level similarities, but beyond that they are quite divergent. If
> you don't believe me, read their descriptions:
>
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/services.html#4
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/routing.html#4
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/security.html#4
>
>
>
>
> ""Sean Knox""  wrote in message
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> > The lab is not the same for all three. As nrf has repeatedly tried to
tell
> > you, they are three SEPARATE tracks. To achieve the R/S CCIE, you need
to
> > pass the R/S written and the R/S CCIE Lab. To get your C/S CCIE, even if
> you
> > already have, say, you R/S CCIE *completed*, you still need to complete
> the
> > C/S written then take the C/S lab.
> >
> > Sean
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:07 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: CCIE communication and services [7:43714]
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry, I guess that wasn't very clear. Suppose you attain an
> > > R/S CCIE and
> > > now wish to go for security or C/S. As the lab is the same
> > > for all three, is
> > > it necessary to keep retaking the lab or will the written be enough? I
> > > assume you probably do have to take the lab again, however
> > > since it is the
> > > same test you have already passed,it  just seems redundant.
> > >
> > > nrf wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Uh, what?  I don't understand your question.  If you're saying
> > > > that you're
> > > > thinking that you can just keep getting more than one C/S CCIE
> > > > by taking
> > > > that lab over and over again (but by passing different C/S
> > > > writtens), then
> > > > the answer is absolutely not.  Contrary to what many people
> > > > believe, there
> > > > are no different 'flavors' of the C/S.  There is only 1 C/S
> > > > CCIE, and you're
> > > > either a C/S CCIE or you're not.   And really, this makes
> > > > perfect sense,
> > > > since there is only one unified C/S lab which every C/S
> > > > candidate takes, no
> > > > matter which written he/she passed.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ""Jason Owens""  wrote in message
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> > > > > Based on your post above, as the lab is the same general
> > > > knowledge, would
> > > > > you need to keep taking it, providing you have passed it
> > > > once, to get more
> > > > > than one CCIE? Or would the various written exams suffice?
> > > > Just curious.
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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